Would you rather touch an electronic conductor with a high voltage or high current flow?

Yes, hello, the question is already in the title. Roughly speaking, which is more dangerous or are both equally dangerous?

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Prism97
2 months ago

The potential difference (i.e. voltage difference between the two ends of the body) decides which current flows through a body.

According to definition, the soil has 0V. An average person has a body resistance of about 1kΩ.

As some answers say here:

The current strength is the problem and not the voltage strength

but the wrong conclusion was drawn. This is about the current intensity, which flows over the human being. The current intensity flowing through the conductor is completely irrelevant.

The formula for calculating the current intensity is:

As can be clearly seen, the current flow increases proportionally to the applied voltage.

As an example for 5V and 230V (plug):

From 50mA it can become life-threatening.

A conductor with a high current flow, but a low voltage, would thus be harmless. But could lead to burns, as the conductor would be very hot.

I hope that makes it clearer why some answers are simply wrong.

ddddddds
2 months ago

Voltage, current strength and electrical resistance are related to the ohmic law. With constant resistance, the higher the voltage, the higher the flowing current. So if you connect a high voltage and a rather low resistance (e.g. a human), a high current automatically flows. If the source cannot provide this current, the voltage drops.

Conversely, nothing will happen if you touch a source that can provide a high current, but has no high output voltage, just because the body resistance does not allow this high current at low voltage.

If you simply mean a conductor with “conductors with high current flow” through which a high current flows, without the human being being being part of the circuit, then a contact is basically harmless.

Kelec
2 months ago

Just because a voltage source can supply 1000A does not mean that it can also drive it.

When you touch a voltage source with 5V and a maximum of 1000A nothing happens.

When you touch a voltage source with 1000V and maximum current 1A, you die.

Kelec
2 months ago
Reply to  Y0Runner

Because that’s not either an answer or an answer to your question.

Correctly, the line must have a high voltage and can also supply a high current so that it is dangerous.

Apollo382
2 months ago
Reply to  Y0Runner

Why?

Nectovelin
2 months ago

With high tension. I’ve been more frequent. Crawls or ticks something. High voltage generators are a funny thing. I had my pupils touched in 4th grade teaching (with permission of parents, of course).

Nectovelin
2 months ago
Reply to  Y0Runner

Are you wondering? Education has the least.

Apollo382
2 months ago

5 V, 300 A don’t kiss me at all.

300V 5 A tokens beautiful

heilaw
2 months ago
Reply to  Apollo382

The A depends on the resistance, i.e. whether 5A flows is not said.

Apollo382
2 months ago
Reply to  heilaw

Yes and the internal resistance of my body is quite large. In the megaohm range. And… if you left the question at the top again, it is asked if you prefer to touch a ladder that has a high voltage and thus only a little power flows or a ladder with a low voltage through which much power flows.

All right?

Apollo382
2 months ago

When it comes to a line 5V, it’s just how much current flows through the line. I’ll take it easy. If the ladder is too weak, it can get hot, but that’s another problem.

If, however, there are 300 volts on a conductor, no matter if 5, 6 1 or what do I know for a current, it will leak if you touch it.

heilaw
2 months ago

Now don’t turn the thing, you wrote 5A

Apollo382
2 months ago

That’s why I said, it’s all right.

heilaw
2 months ago

300V: 1000R = 0,3A

Kelec
2 months ago

Of course not.

The intensification threshold for alternating current is at 50mA for the 1k body resistance thus results in the 50V threshold for low-voltage protection.

With direct current, the threshold is even higher.

Apollo382
2 months ago

5V are not dangerous. And that’s what I was about. And yes, I have no problems touching the plus pole of a 12V car battery. Even if you just start and there are hundreds of A.

Kelec
2 months ago

The body resistance is 1 kilohm not in the megaohm range.

The reason why Multimeter da often displays megaohm is in the small measuring voltage, but in the dangerous voltage range the resistance breaks down by 1 kilohm.

MrCamouflage96
2 months ago

A high voltage is harmless, best example is an electric shock that has 500,000 volts. For comparison a house has 230 volts. The electric shocker has advised 0.001A, A standard fuse has 16 A, but there can also flow 100 A very briefly. Now we can also add that the electric shock DC has and a house AC and waving is more dangerous for humans.

SirKermit
2 months ago
Reply to  MrCamouflage96

A high voltage is harmless, best example is an electric shock that has 500,000 volts

Sorry, but that’s pure mischief. The internal resistance of such a device is extremely limited.

From https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/electropulse weapon

Depending on the electrode spacing, electric shocks are offered with voltages up to a few 100 kV (low voltage); this also applies to equipment with PTB test mark. However, it is questionable whether the electric shocker could achieve this voltage without a defect. Since the electrodes are usually not further than 50 mm apart from one another, the voltage can only rise up to about 50 kV. The current strength of the pulses is achieved in modern models with a reduced load resistance of up to 500Oh.Top values of up to 100Ampere. The deliveredelectric chargeis up to a maximum of 0.2mC.

The load is strongly limited, otherwise they would be fatal, even the 500 kV pure marketing template, in such a small device you can simply not realize the required insulation of the components.

MrCamouflage96
2 months ago
Reply to  SirKermit

Sorry, but that’s pure mischief.

In theory, one would have had to separate the sentence, because the first part is definitely not a mischief. At that time in school, a classmate should think of 10,000 V long – nothing happened. If that were a 10 KV line as on the masts, he wouldn’t be here today.

Part two should only serve to illustrate and I chose the first best – here my source that the 500,000 V vote:

https://www.kotte-zeller.de/elektroschocker-power-max-500-000-volt-mit-ptb-pruefzeichen

Top values of up to 100Ampere

It is true that it must be more than the 0.001 A that I have guessed – they will have been very much in the experiment. The assailant would not notice anything, but the 100 A for me sound quite a lot (a tick has more than our HAK), but if they usually write it. As I also cried, it is also a big difference whether DC and AC, the AC can bring the heart out of the clock.

MrCamouflage96
2 months ago

Someone touches the 230 volts and dies. And now?

Where does that come from? I’ve only underlined meien’s point of view the high tension does not have to be harmful. I have already taken 230 V and still live – electronics need this in the morning 😉

You seem to assume that this voltage of 10 kV is at full level as long as you touch it.

I know the Ohmic Law and the same, so I don’t assume… It was also just about the question and it was answered enough.

That’s why you’re surviving an electric fence, but if you touch a line in our medium-voltage network, you’ll also use 10 kV.

My speech – especially that with the 10 kV on the high voltage pole.

The time profile of the voltage is always decisive.

And where the power goes in and out, finger to finger is not as dangerous as hand over heart to hand – but as we all know after that only 24 h EKG because the damage can occur later.

SirKermit
2 months ago

At that time in school, a classmate should believe I have 10,000 V long – nothing happened.

Someone touches the 230 volts and dies. And now?

You seem to assume that this voltage of 10 kV is at full level as long as you touch it. Unfortunately, this is not true, this is only the idling voltage. It collapses when touched.

Also grazing devices are designed. The charge is decisive.

From https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrozaun#Building

Today it createselectronicDevice from 12 V supply voltage pulses of up to 15 kV of very short duration (0.1 ms to 0.3 ms). As a result, the energy – depending on the animal size to be protected and depending on the fence length – becomes 0.1 to 5Jis limited and safe for animals and humans. The energy source isRechargeable battery, where appropriate,solar cellsor aPower supply. ALocking transformerincreases the voltage to about 600 V. The energy is stored in a capacitor, chopped by an electronic switch into short pulses and delivered every 1 to 2 seconds. ThroughTransformersthe pulse is then increased to about 15 kV.

It is decisive that such a voltage source in turn has a high internal resistance and thus a pulse in its power is limited. The indication of a voltage is therefore something that a layman in electrical engineering must lead to completely false conclusions.

That’s why you’re surviving an electric fence, but if you touch a line in our medium-voltage network, you’ll also use 10 kV.

The time profile of the voltage is always decisive.

MichaelSAL74
2 months ago

High voltage

The current strength is the problem and not the voltage strength

Once we learned in physics lessons, it seems uninteresting today.

Kelec
2 months ago
Reply to  MichaelSAL74

And still is not true.

Without high voltage no high current, with high voltage also high current.

The ohmic law also applies to the body.

Apollo382
2 months ago
Reply to  Kelec

… and depends on the internal resistance of the body. And it’s usually quite big.

Prism97
2 months ago
Reply to  MichaelSAL74

It shocks me something that you are listed here as a community expert for electronics, but are not familiar with the ohmic rules. So I don’t know what’s been taught to you, but I’ve learned something different in my physics study, as well as my training as an electronic. See my answer to the question.

SirKermit
2 months ago

A simple measuring device does not help and displays incorrectly. Anyone who builds muscle stimulus power supplies works with voltages somewhat above 100 volts.

The internal resistance https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/body resistance

In specialist literature, the body resistance is given at about 500 Ω to 1.3 kΩ.[

The ohmic law applies only to ideal resistances, our bodies are no one. If we really had such a high internal resistance, there would be no accidents with electricity in the household.

Kelec
2 months ago

This is due to the small measuring voltage of the ohmmeter there, the upper skin contributes massively to the resistance. At higher measuring voltage, the resistance then goes back.

Apollo382
2 months ago

then take a Ohmmeter and start it.

Please with dry hands…

Kelec
2 months ago

For the human body, you take idR 1000 Ohm.