Wie gehe ich meinem Projektleiter, der zu viel erwartet?
Ich arbeite in einer IT-Firma und wir arbeiten in einer Machine Learning Gruppe, weil wir sonst keine Projekte haben (bin sonst backend Entwickler, aber es gibt nichts zu tun derzeit, weil wir im Projektgeschäft sind). Mein Projektleiter hat dauernd irgendwelche Ideen, was wir umsetzen können, Problem ist aber:
1) Außer mir hat noch keiner ein Model trainiert oder längere Erfahrung mit LLMs.
2) Wir sind 2-3 Entwickler, die wenig Erfahrung haben.
3) Das Produkt soll für gerade mal ein paar tausender verkauft werden.
Ich sehe nicht wie man das erfüllen soll und wir haben es der Geschäftsleitung schon vorgerechnet, demonstriert etc. trotzdem will man anscheinend nicht aufgeben.
Problem ist: Ich fühle mich, als verschwende ich meine Zeit.
Und nein wir wurden nicht für den Bereich eingestellt, wir sind keine Data Scientist. Zumindest außer mir hat damit keine große Erfahrung.
Die erwarten halt auch, dass wir das innerhalb von n paar Wochen oder Monaten produktiv fähig machen.
Es zieht mich mega runter, ich komme demotiviert auf die Arbeit und es gab auch schon ein unschönes Gespräch mit der Geschäftsleitung wo man andeutete, dass wir ja einfach keine Lust hätten.
Ich werde die Leitung eh nicht überzeugen können, aber daher meine Frage wie geht man damit persönlich um? Wie gibt man sich in Gesprächen? Ich muss ja trotzdem Professionalität bewahren.
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Is he definitely not… Just like any other person.
Then it’s okay if you use the “free” time to deal with you again. Since then happy, if your boss does not send you to office, but wants to keep you and set you a goal that offers a perspective from his point of view.
… good for you… One-eye under the blind . So be a teacher and build your lead. If your colleagues already call you “KI expert”, then be one .
Okay, I wouldn’t be so hard to call it “no pleasure”. …but you’ve been inflexible… pampered…
Now comes the famous:
…that would not have happened to us… (Always the old zausel with her life wisdom 🙄)
You should be glad that your boss is concerned to keep “mimimimoses” yourself. …and also wants to direct you into a new (alternative) direction… (the shortage of skilled workers drives strange flowers. I would have fired you)
(…sorry for my drastic expression, I don’t have much understanding for people who are not willing to develop. )
My recommendation:
Look at the job as a chance…
What’s wrong? Your wages are on time…
It is not Your job to evaluate how profitable a project is… that goes to the “Deckel” by the boss…
Other developers need to learn their “normal” projects. As I see, “learning” is your only project.
If you ask yourself why I represent a somewhat “badenlose” opinion:
Before I started with “IT” I already had two completely different specialist degrees and various specializations/”notes”. At the end of the 90s, the offer came to program a control system for a chemical process control (because I was only interested in the implementation of fuzzy logic on the computer) and there was no other). I had no plan, just a little “school chemistry” in my head and as a hobbyist no engineering knowledge to work really structured and had to do as any regulated work to feed my family.
In addition to my normal work, my “partner” and I developed a production process and its inovative control.
…It was the coolest time of my life and the beginning of a new path.
I’m retired now and I’m learning for fun again. I don’t want to go back: “I haven’t done yet” . If sometimes former business partners and customers come up with a problem, nobody expects me to be able to do anything. But you know that I was concerned about it and maybe some completely “irrwitzge” solution shook out of my sleeve.
If the project goes wrong and the chance is very high, then it will cost so much money that it affects the entire company. The duration is NOT predictable for development, that says my senior himself and he is 20 years longer in the field and is here considered an oracle.
You’re wrong, it’s our job. We should constantly assess how many days we need + how high the costs are. We as a team were commissioned to research the costs, e.g. for hosting, services, etc.
The boss asked me personally how many months or years I guess it takes.
Would that be my job as a developer? In some companies certainly not.
Our projects are very closely assessed and the boss has already signaled that he is not willing to invest more than one particular one. We can’t do this with him.
And don’t blame me, but you’ll get back to the deepest themes of machine learning within 1-2 months while you’ll soon have 1-3 other projects, that’s just too much.
Would I do it when you tell me? Yeah.
Do I think we can do it? No.
And that’s what I’m saying after I’ve done Master in the field of ML.
simple:
accept the requirements of the AG or look for a new job. There are no alternatives.
Submit your dismissal and start with what you wrote here. Of course, look for a new job before.
He’s coming here so fast.
No desire is no job setting for the boss likes to pay money
I thought you were IT specialists?
Didn’t you study or something?
Why should waste time
What else would you do?
That would be wasted time.
Don’t want to?
As I would react as a project manager
You don’t have to work – no one forces you to work
Money for lustless workers is, of course, waste of money
Is there enough working people?
I’m glad you noticed that.
You don’t notice your work setting
An IT specialist isn’t an all-rounder.
But no one – have no bell to work
And usually no one says “don’t give it earlier – we don’t do it today”
Otherwise, your computer would be without electricity to call us a typewriter.
No area is as changeable as IT.
I’m doing something very different today than before.
Just that is often even the interesting thing in IT.
This has nothing to do with tile band work at Daimler am Band.
Just because someone has studied IT he doesn’t have to be able to do everything for a long time, and that doesn’t require a normal employer.
If I as a AG a backend developer instead of then as a backend developer, I also do not expect that he will develop a new CAD program.
He may then only be allowed to assume it without prior consultation.
As far as the working moral is concerned, you have either misunderstood or do not understand. It is not about the questioner not wanting to work, he is working on a project in which he does not see a future and has also been misoccupied.
It is somehow clear that in the end the work moral is not the best if the employer does not understand that he is part of the problem and not the employees alone are the problem.
Professionalism does not mean that you have to let your employer enjoy everything and if the employer confuses professionalism with submissiveness, then there will be a lot in the operating climate.
ne… Of course not.
According to my Lesart, the employer does not do anything “honorous” when he writes instead of terminations, at his own entrepreneurial risk, to “write” his employees into new technologies. (They give to be experts, this also includes flexibility)
It is not the task of employees to evaluate the profitability of a project. If the boss sees a chance in the long-term perspective in working with LLMs, it is his job/risk to lead the company in this direction.
In return, his employees should also put the necessary professionalism on the agenda. Your wages come… why the whole lamentia?
No one behinds the employees “to vote with their feet” whether they trust their employer’s ideas…
Submissibility?
Of course there is one that says where it goes
This has nothing to do with submission.
Sure – But there was no real reason why the worker shouldn’t do his job here.
The employer tries to secure jobs here with new projects
AI can also be interesting for their normal projects
If he would have preferred to be quit because there is no work, he can announce himself if he is the lover.
No one forces him
He can. But even his employer does not force him to pay for money in the long term if there are no old orders and new ways are undesirable.
Of course not
And that’s not the point.
It’s just about the zero-bock setting.
Time waste can’t be if he’s tired
Whether they create a project, of course, stands on another sheet.
Of course, depends on project managers.
But no lust and waste of time are the wrong attitude
Yeah, I understood your opinion, I’m just a pity that at once an analysis of my psyche comes in which I didn’t ask.
Then everything from my last post is ignored.
I have drawn in your (from my point of view) questions of the last two years. This gives a different impression of the situation.
In principle, it’s not about your employer’s projects…
You have (once again) encountered a situation where the tasks seem too great.
Your post regarding your “study performance” speaks volumes.
…
From the egg dance with the employment office and the irreal 4k-Netto challenge of your father, depression… I don’t want to talk.
All of this creates the little flattering overall picture of me that at the slightest track of “printing” you get out of the joints and in your environment you destroy the guilt. (Male the parents, sometimes the “incapable” students, sometimes that one…)
Don’t blame me now, I didn’t want to be injustice and judge only on the basis of the current thing…
I see your current lamentia, which now pushes the black Peter to your AG, rather than the search for people who are sorry for your head and are overwhelming you with solidarity.
Yeah, I like to have made one of those judgments here…
I’ve already seen 1000s of different characters pass over to me and my critical look has rarely deceived me.
Even I’m not Superman… I was already in situations where my knees trembled, that happens to everyone. But jammering is not the solution.
No, I’m not taking your head!
Yeah, and I’ve been programmed for more than 13 hours or 20 hours because I wanted to solve a problem far before my first job.
And also in my job I do this ambitious, but nothing changes the fact that we live in an industry where overtime is now heavily associated with the project business.
Projects are too closely estimated, you have to push a lot of code on the last press because of deadlines and then you have hard pressure because the tasks are quite complex at least with us.
But that’s what you want to stamp as mimimi, which is simply the attempt to deter the deteriorating working climate.
Only because I can have a new job at any time is that I don’t know that I throw the towel right away just because something doesn’t run smoothly on work.
This has nothing to do with “mimimi” if the line does not properly assess the presumptuous work, we get too little resources and the whole thing will end up in a huge conflict in the future and will have in the worst case consequences for ALL employees.
We’re not a huge corporation that puts this away.
And that is constantly arguing that I should just look at my wages, should a co-worker have empathy on what’s on the company and think about what’s on the other’s mind, especially if we’re going to research the costs and make an encroachment of the SUPPORT AND THE COSTS? And in every project?
I’m just reading a mimimi on your side. You’ve been in an unprecedented strong position. You don’t have to be afraid to go punching.
No one can force you to push overtime. I myself have sometimes been on the keyboard, but not because someone would have prevented me from doing the evening, but because I just wanted to solve the thing… (of course, bullshit, if you’re “over” you’re just going to be “capacity” before)
If he does. I read it more so that the entrepreneur here presents a time and budget plan without taking into account the state of knowledge of the employees.
It’s nothing wrong to say, look at this and read in, and then we go on.
For me, it sounds more like the project manager comes around the corner and says that the project is you have a month of time and is ready for under 10k.
However, employees play a role in the profitability of a project. If I ask my employees to implement a project with impossible low funds then it is likely that the costs will be higher than the client will be willing to pay.
As I said, there are apparently two different ways to read this story.
You can read as the employees are not willing to read into new ones or the employees can make the project impossible in the given context.
I read out from the descriptions of the questioner here rather second scenario and if my boss asks me what I can’t do with the given means, I would also be demotivated.
Well, at the latest the landlord of the apartment already.
But in such a case, I think it is better to change the employer if the opportunity arises.
I don’t understand your type of communication, I just describe what just happens and how bad it goes to the employees (some of them years of hardworking people who give themselves a lot of effort and overtime pushing for the company) and you come with “yes quit and you don’t have a warning of cost and project management”.
Think about what you’re doing.
All of other employees have been software developers for years who find new jobs within a week when they want, apart from that they are involved in other projects that are just on ice because the customers do not give enough budget.
If you want to hire new ones and want to work in, that’s a huge loss in front of everything you don’t find enough people.
I don’t understand.
We even do everything the line demands, no one sits there and only stares against the wall.
I guess you don’t want to understand.
You obviously have no idea about costs and project management.
And I know exactly what I’m talking about overtime
But if you explained here you would have more idea we project manager and managing director then quit and do yourself
But you will quickly realize how reality and the True Life looks.
Superb
Then join together
Open your own company.
Just make that what you just want
Don’t worry.
You won’t have a waste of months.
As long as it’s not good.
Good luck
It may be a waste of time if it is foreseeable that the project will not succeed. Unfortunately, such problems are often overlooked as supervisors if you don’t listen to his employees.
Of course, sitting around and doing nothing is also wasteful of time and I understand why new projects have to come here, but what I don’t understand is that you don’t seem to be looking for anything better suited to the employees or giving them time for training.
There are paid further trainings more sensible.
Of course, that is also clear, but that does not mean that this someone can ask for something from his employees, which is simply not possible, is not feasible or if he thinks he can treat his employees like servants who have to do everything he says.
This is a wrong attitude that leads to poor working conditions and low motivation among employees.
But that the team that works on the project is not able to implement this sensual in that time.
Then the whole thing is obviously wrong of this communication for me it works as if the employer here thinks the ITlers must be able to do everything and this gives them project periods which seem unrealistic and the workers here seem to have no right to speak.
Always this argument with “to overtime you are not forced”, sorry but this is only half truth. In our industry is crunched without end, this is an open secret, and whoever doesn’t have it gets to feel it.
It is not about slowness, it is about making projects that are not feasible in view of the budget.
If someone tells me, please make an app that works with LLM at 400,000 and that for over an indefinitely high number of users, however, could certainly be more than 10k active and I inform the person that the cost can cause in millions to satisfy the customer’s requirements and an expense estimate is not feasible
We can continue our education, but it’s a thing if you want to learn something that might need 2 weeks further education or something you need a whole study or even a doctorate.
Secondly, it is simply not possible and if we proceed without clear guidance, we are going to waste time.
It’s not just me that, ALL developers in the team are demotivated, even those who are longer than I are in the company.
Sure, but there are no orders
I don’t understand
It is a new project
As a replacement
And development naturally takes time.
If you are too slow, why don’t you close the project faster?
I’d rather understood that you wouldn’t have been so much aware of it, and then it’s rather longer than going faster.
One since her a team.
That’s what everybody can do.
You may not be forced to overtime
You also do this training
Above all, it is also further education for future projects!
It is not a waste of time
Of course wasted in time. In time, I could have done something else for the company, or even further education for future projects.
We haven’t been doing this since week, but soon 2 and half months. This is no longer justifiable.
And if I do overtime so that I can find the correct information and get me the necessary knowledge about papers etc. because I am the only person with the pre-knowledge, you call the “zero bock inset?”.
I honestly don’t understand.