Wie findet ihr diese fiktive Figur?
Ein 21 jähriger Mann der schon seit 4 Jahren eine Freundin sucht, aber nie eine findet. Er lebt in Griechenland und ist so Attraktiv wie möglich, ist aber trotzdem Single:
- Sieht gut aus
- Hat eine Ausstrahlung voll von stolz, Schöner Jugend usw….
- Ist sehr Sportlich und begabt in vielen Sportarten
- Hat eine Schöne Stimme und kann mehrere Instrumente spielen
- Er bzw. Seine Eltern sind wohlhabend
- Er ist extrovertiert, Temperamentvoll, Ehrlich, hilft anderen, aber ist auch etwas eifersüchtig
Er wünscht sich eine Treue Freundin die nur ihm gehört, findet aber oft nur schlechte Frauen (vor allem auf Tinder) seine beste Freundin dient ihm als guter Freundin Ersatz, doch er verliebt sich in sie und sie korbt ihn.
Wie findet ihr die Person? Ist sie vielleicht zu unrealistisch? (Mary Sue)
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I find it funny that the guy is looking for despite the many aspects. Seems too unrealistic. There is still a few “founders” (secret, profession, etc.)
Completely overdrawn. By the way, a perfect person is something for the museum and not for bed.
To create figures with which readers should identify themselves, and that they must follow the story, they should never be perfectly designed to be lifted off. Because your readers are not. Therefore, you should always write to a figure make and character errors.
It seems more common…
but as long as he doesn’t manage to live a happy life alone, it won’t
Overall, something to be covered, except of course it hangs all the time in sports and its instruments and neglects it, for example, education and school. You could understand that in my eyes, then he’s setting priorities.
Otherwise, it’s just what I’ve already told you about your Mary Sue/Gary Stu: if you shape a character GUT, then it can be quite outstanding and very good at some points… but not from today on morning, but with corresponding training behind it. To be able to play several instruments (good) requires a lot of time and exercise… it would be more sensible in my eyes to set up ON INstrument or two instruments.
You can let your figure sing in opera quality… provided she has taken all her childhood singing lessons and has always gone fine and tidy, has practiced etc. Then that’s REALISTIC.
If your figure just opens the mouth and then ‘The Hell Revenge’ melts it is unrealistic.
Herec you only count strengths, the weaknesses are completely hidden and no that he has no girlfriend is NOT a weakness.
If he’s looking for a woman, why is he looking for Tinder? And why doesn’t he think he’s so extroverted? These are the questions that ask me. As someone like him would have to find EIGENTLICH no problem having a girlfriend, except his claims are enormously high OR he moves in the wrong circles of people.
He’s looking for Tinder for despair.
So openly confessed… that someone who has really tried it for four years, who is extroverted, has many friends, and then also has all the requirements up there NO girlfriend finds EXTREM unlikely.
Unless he’s really sick jealous or otherwise kind of ‘comic’.
Then you have something to know.
Yeah, I created it.
Didn’t you make the figure?
If so, the questions you have to answer.
I also find that puzzling why he doesn’t find a girlfriend. There must be explanations.
The definition for Mary-Sue is:
Usually, it can handle tasks considerably more easily than comparable figures with similar training and experience. The name is often used for both sexes, but at the same time there are also the male variants Marty Sue and Gary Stu.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
Your description says something else. Despite all the good conditions, he doesn’t know what to do or he makes mistakes.
Don’t stand there.
I am right to you in this respect that there may be no sample of a Mary Sue in some areas and that much of the description cannot be easily removed, but it is already very in the direction.
The fact that he does not find a friend is not led by him SELBST, but a product of the environment. It is the perfect, pure, flawless character against which the whole world stands, which is ultimately also at fault in its own failure.
You don’t need to talk about his ‘Talente’ in my eyes, about his representation in the end
Which of these points indicates a Mary Sue person?
No. Because it simply has nothing to do with the property of Mary Sue/Gary Stu to use TInder.
No. You dispute that it is such an overly perfect person and that is simply too extreme. It would be more correct to say that both possibilities cannot be excluded, but even AUCH is not that it is actually a Mary Sue character.
I also do not see a (characteristic) error in the presence of a perfect tinder profile.
Irrelevant
I told you.
I don’t see why he shouldn’t do that.
It is not said that the profile is not perfect. According to the questioner, he finds only ‘bad women’, but I suspect that this refers to his claims to a woman. So he finds some, but they do not match his taste. But what could possibly also speak GEGEN Tinder.
A Gary Stu wouldn’t use Tinder or have a perfect Tinder profile.
Yeah, and where does he not know what to do? And above all, where does he make FEHLER?
Apart from, of course, that this ONE point also happens in a Mary Sue. Is actually a very typical line of action.
This sounds like a Gary-Stue sample;) So the male version of a Mary-Sue, the perfect protagonist. I personally felt such a figure very boring and exhausting.
How can you make a not mary sue?
Less perfection. The very few people are so perfect and when they are, they rarely solve positive feelings with the reader. Give him weaknesses and problems and stroke some of the “positive” things.
No, it’s not. Read the definition here:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
No, it’s not. Read the definition here:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
But it does. I have over 25 years of experience in this area, you can believe that I know what I’m talking about;)
Apart from that, the link confirms my statement. Please understand. Thank you.
I mean in the literary field, since you have obviously collected so much semi-knowledge here to correct someone who is much longer active here and has accumulated much more experience and knowledge;) Since you persist in your (referred incorrect) position, I wonder how long you really know you active here, or whether you are wrongly citing Wikipedia entries or the like.
So in good question I’m about 5 years.
1) Completely correct. Appearance is an integral part.
2) Properties are also an integral component. All-rounders who overwhelm all established characters with their knowledge are the epitome of a sue.
3) No. The gifts and very many gifts are also part of a sue.
I wonder how long have you been writing or are you trying to interpret wiki articles?
1) wrong. Sues have to look good, but do everything right. “Ready Player one” is a movie – in movies all people are more beautiful than in the book.
2) wrong. It’s not about features like proud, but about “Sue does everything right and can everything”
3) wrong. Talent is a different thing than “Sue wins all competitions”.
… etc.
We have 6 areas and even 2 of them would already be a sue or Establishing Stuablier – in all 6 the question is only to be understood as a WItz, because the answer is clear and 100%: Yes – it is a Sue
This is completely fulfilled by the above things.
Here too: filled. A little jealousy is not a disadvantage here, which forces this fulfillment only in the approach.
Since our own character, this is not true – as far as we know. Could also be a fanfic.
Also fulfilled. Little to no flaws.
I don’t know why I have to explain this to you so much. It’s obvious.
Again:
Answer the question: Which of these points meets the definition.
(This time not Wikipedia but Urban Dictionary)
Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t need Wikipedia, I’ve been working in this field for years and probably writing longer than you’re in the world.
It’s just that you don’t see that you’re talking nonsense, that’s a lot about you. The fact that you recognize a proven phenomenon only as “existent” as soon as it could be googled and don’t understand that there was a time before the internet also speaks volumes.
I have already specifically stated that this figure is clearly a sue. You bite yourself to the wiki definition you don’t even understand. I have no idea where your problem is.
You’re getting out because you can’t name anything concrete.
Usually, it can handle tasks considerably more easily than comparable figures with similar training and experience.
None of the points correspond to the Wikipedia definition.
In combination? All together are a clear sign. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
If you want to see this, it only shows me that you have great difficulty in spelling and reading. Your insistence on a proven FALSCHEN statement indicates great understanding deficits for me. Furthermore, to say that there is no term, because it has only occurred on day X in a search engine, makes me doubt my counterpart, who does not understand that the Internet is not the measure of all things and knowledge, and there was also a time “before” where not everything was logged.
As proven and explained, your view is simply wrong.
“Finish” is a worthless statement. For example, I cannot rule out that you are an alien with twenty tentacles. But that’s not a document.
So please. Which of the above points proves: This is a Mary Sue person.
Because it simply needs more explanation and explanation. But he describes properties that you can NOT exclude 100% that it is a Mary-Sue character. Not to mention the description in your Wikipedia extract.
No property that the questioner lists justifies the division as Mary Sue.
Look here. Now it becomes personal.
The questioner does not describe Mary Sue Person. No matter what decade.
Wrong. Bzw. this can be quite, but finding NO girlfriend would not be an argument against it being a Mary Sue or the like.
Sky-Destiny Joy Rivia-Vengerberg (the impossible daughter of Geralt of Riva and Yennefer of Vengerberg from the Witcher series), who has saved her Conduit moment with 4 years and after two days in Aretuza is practically already archmaster, polymorphy ruled, the barrier in Garstang with a fingernap is completely immune to any effect of Dimeritium
That would be the content of history. And then she turns out to be a mum substitute at Tissaia, because Geralt and Yennefer have already died and the poor little thing had to be adopted and raised by any royal family. And Tissaia, who saved her life in the meantime, after refusing her theory in the poisoned source, then continues to explain to her that she is a beautiful young girl and that she could all lie at her feet and that she could have everyone (because Tissaia would do this on JEDEN FALL… shit on emancipated magician and something like that…). And Sky-Destiny is completely destroyed on the ground, because exactly the one person they have WILL doesn’t love her-
He/she actually loves her, but he/she just doesn’t dare to say because he/she is afraid of disappointments. Because Sky-Destiny is so perfect and radiant and could have anyone, why not speak to me and better not and do cold and repulsive because you don’t want to be hurt…
It doesn’t matter if it’s perfect or not, because for Sky-Destiny he/she’s FREE PERFECT.
And despite the fact that Sky-Destiny only finds out on the deathbed that he/she loves her would NOT MINDER a Mary Sue…
No, you’re totally wrong. The term Mary-Sue has been much longer, I have known it for over 20 years! You have no idea what you’re talking about. The term “Mary-Sue” exists much longer, especially in the author and fanfic area and not only since 2015. I started writing in 1998 and I just bumped into it insignificantly later.
You have no idea what you’re talking about and obviously you’re not able to see a mistake. But if I look at you like Jacques Clouseau I’m not surprised.
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Yes, that’s right. When analysing the search queries (what was done), the term “Mary Sue” appeared as a synonym for a faultless, overarchingly competent person only in 2015.
That the figure was introduced much earlier is irrelevant.
Literary area, starting with Fanfiction and then professional.
This is completely wrong: The term Mary Sue comes from the short story A Trekkie’s Tale by Paula Smith, a parody on Star-Trek-Fan-Fiction stories, published in the magazine Menagerie #2 in 1973. The Half Vulcan Lieutenant Mary Sue Kirk, Spock and Dr McCoy are superior in every respect.
I don’t believe you know what you’re talking about because I can’t imagine what field you could have spent these 25 years. Especially since SW TFA 2015 the term is used in general.
A Gary Stu would easily find a Freud – and she would be perfect!