Why no fighters in the Rapid Forces Division?

Correct me if I'm wrong. Since this year, the mountain troops have also been part of the DSK. I wonder why all the infantry combat units, except for the Jäger troops, are included. Is there any specific reason for this?

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Nomex64
1 year ago

Because we don’t have a hunter brigade right now. The 5 hunter battalions are subordinate to brigades. They are again assigned to one of the 3 German divisions.

With the mountain and parachute hunters, the DSK has enough troops that dominate the classic fights of the hunters (fight against infantry in the middle mountains, in forests and built combat spaces).

There’s no need for the hunter force. Their abilities are required in the 1st and 10th Panzerdivision.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

Probably because the hunters are needed for the middle forces and therefore their task and also equipment are not suitable for a fast worldwide use, but above all for a fast laying only within the Nato alliance area.

tkyle
1 year ago

I find this “new job” strange.

I would have gathered the mountain hunters “again” in an independent mountain division.

There would be a third tank division with effect area East German Länder.

Two further divisions would be built.

Now again “just” is gedoked around to hope that the Nato commitments can be met and that the LV would be strengthened.

Meanwhile, the logistics force remains independent.

The artelliery force is not strengthened as in summer 22.

Intermediate forces are Ok but as an independent troops unit.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago
Reply to  tkyle

Then where are you going to get the money and staff for two more divisions?

tkyle
1 year ago
Reply to  EinfachReden01

Let’s do it like Sweden and reactivate a conscription.

For women and men.

Even if only first one was applauded.

Due to material deficiency and missing, ready-to-reference accommodation.

A country like ours that was much smaller and 485,000 should not have a problem in terms of personnel.

Financing?

Should there be no problem in a country with the highest tax incomes and levies in this world as the 4th largest economic nation in this world.

You just have to set priorities after a turn-of-a-time decision.

Intel gets 10 billion euros, where do they come from?

Instead of supporting Commerzbank in the financial crisis or promoting Intel, I would rather have increased the defense budget by 10 billion euros instead of by 2 billion euros.

We optimise the tax audit and we increase the exaggerated peak tax rate from 42% to 46%.

tkyle
1 year ago

In these times it must go fast!!

All equipment defects are known!

The series production of the Fox A9 would have had to start at the longest. Especially with the background of an adult war that can also affect NATO.

Everyone knows all the equipment deficiencies of the Bundeswehr.

Now there’s no need for 1 and a half years.

Without this, a Patria wheel armor was tested.

How long will you wait until the fox successor is delivered the 1st tranche.

I repeat: Why do you need to open a new barrel?

You just want to get me dressed so right? 😉

The manufacturer of Patria cannot produce the required number of vehicles themselves because it does not have the capacities.

The manufacturer of the fox already.

What the Patria can do, the fox can be long.

With almost every U.S. purchase of weapons, it is hammered because it is US weapons systems, why not buy German weapons systems.

The longer you wait with orders, the later the 1st tranche arrives at vehicles at the crew.

This wasted time we just didn’t!!

I want to see deeds.

But we are far from the subject of the questioner, because 1 must always have the last word.

The mountain hunters gather in a mountain division as an independent large association.

Similar to the times of the 1st mountain division.

Whether the hunter force should be at the DSK remains to be seen.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

Because you have certain requirements and the vehicles that need to be tested accordingly at your disposal, maybe something is better than the fox.

Because patria runs under the international CAVS program and is ordered or produced and would therefore also be cheaper.

tkyle
1 year ago

Why test the patria if I want the fox?

Why do you have to join somewhere to allow test vehicles?

That’s what I meant. I don’t know.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

It is not yet decided that accession is necessary to be able to test the Patria, as well as the Fox and other vehicles that are possible as successors.

Waiting for the vehicles to hit.

tkyle
1 year ago

It has been a “real” departure from the fox recognizable.

It’s an unnecessary barrel that’s been opened.

I don’t know.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

The successor of fuchs is not yet fixed. Germany has only joined the CVAS program to check the Patria as an option.

tkyle
1 year ago

I see.

Thus material can be purchased, the industry has long-term contracts, German companies should preferably be hired.

The problem with Tpz Fuchs was unnecessarily reopened.

The Tpz Fuchs A9 is not bought, although available on the market.

However, a little more expensive.

For this, the manufacturer of Tpz Fuchs could have all the desired production figures produced from now on.

Could’ve been in series.

But they chose the manufacturer from the wheel armor Patria, who does not even possess the production capacity and has to find partners first.

Do you not want market-available systems to make it faster?

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

Wrongly understood, it was meant as a joke that it is completely clear that it does not work until 2030.

Replace existing fox completely and order from everything more than you need for the reserve.

tkyle
1 year ago

I didn’t even tip anything that the material had to be purchased by 2030.

However, you could already start “now” with vestellungs.

To fill all gaps and build up reserves.

The support of Ukraine.

There will be 162 fighting tanks in the future.

2 tank divisions have Germany.

Let’s give KMW an order of 650 combat tank Leo 2 A8.

All previous leos of Bw are sold to Ukraine.

We increase the number of troops transport tanks Fuchs from 825 to 1,500.

The same number GTK Boxer, including Radkanonenboxer, RCH-155 Radhaubitze, pioneer GT Boxer, GTK Boxer Mörser, air defense Skyranger. Uzw,

These are orders that industry can work with.

Over the last few years, over 3,000 trucks have been handed over to the Bundeswehr, with trucks alone you won only no war.

It would be a national force for the 4th largest economic nation.

If Poland creates such figures, why not Germany is more economically stable.

Procurement period up to 2060.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

Where a will is also a way.

No, it’s clear what you wrote, it was more about clarifying how important it was to achieve such a goal. Besides, it would be nasty to get all the extra equipment for 50000 soldiers by 2030.

Finally, your plan would be a “national effort” and you could also go to the 300000 or even higher, as it were in the cold war. But from the very beginning, I assumed that it was purely about the Minister of Defence, which was also the restructuring that had been mentioned, that was my thought.

tkyle
1 year ago

That’s the question.

With a conscription, it becomes feasible and a material full equipment makes a lot of personal advertising.

In addition, the current freewill remains.

There’s no one with me: Ne, doesn’t work.

Do we keep drilling in the nose?

Whoever knocks the spells must deliver!

I also wrote: From 2030-2060/ 80.

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

If no one wants to go to the Bundeswehr, there is also little to increase the planned number. Even the goal of 200000 soldiers 2030 is challenged because the candidates are missing. We must do so, but it is not carried out both politically and socially.

Either way, you have to invest billions for computer chips.

tkyle
1 year ago

Does Intel really make sense or do we not have “hidden” potential in semiconductors?

Did Teslas company make sense in Brandenburg?

If you do not start a state-owned company in this direction, 1 joint venture with Intel aims to expand our own semiconductor infrastructure.

How was that not to make addiction to raw materials?

tkyle
1 year ago

The Ministry of Defence not, however, the majority of government with the decisive policy competence of the Chancellor could decide such things.

If you want!

And to make the will of something sensible, I also see with “this” realignment not the principiell the force of the troops being corrected to the top. Zb from the target mark: 203,000 to 250,000 to 2060/80.

Should be a creation!

If you let go of sayings like the men Olaf Scholz and Lars Klingbeil, which the Bundeswehr should become the strongest, most conventional army in Europe, you have to deliver!

EinfachReden01
1 year ago

Well, basically, you’re right, but that’s not what the Minister of Defence has to do, from the point of view I’ve seen all this now.

Where Intel makes sense to produce computer chips themselves and thus to be more independent.