Why is more value placed on papers than on real skills and experience in the world of work?
In my work it is the complete opposite, which I strongly support.
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Du handelst an der Börse auf eigene Rechnung. Da ist es völlig egal, was für Papiere du hast. Das interessiert keinen. Da bist du nur für dich verantwortlich.
Aber an meine Wärmepumpe, Stromkasten, …. lasse ich nur Fachleute, die das auch mal gelernt haben,.
This is common practice in Germany – whether you like it or not.
Of course, your "activity" doesn't require anything like that; your success will be judged in 20 years, when you're no longer living off your dad's back.
What makes you think I'm lying on my dad's back? I pay for everything myself!
Because in Germany it is often very difficult to fire someone who is no good, and many people still manage to not give any reason to fire them during the maximum probationary period of 6 months.
Furthermore, especially these days, thanks to the internet, you can learn a lot of things autodidactically. There are entire YouTube channels dedicated to topics related to electricians, for example, and even explaining the basics. For example, because of that, and because I helped my father, who is an electrician, and I helped him a lot here at home, I could probably do a lot of electrical work for over six months without it being immediately obvious that I'm not an electrician. I might even be able to pass the theory test fairly well if I looked at old exams to see what topics I'm still missing and did a bit of prep.
But especially in the practical part, I'm definitely missing at least the last 10% of the knowledge that one should have with a completed apprenticeship, or knowledge that one should be able to recall after a few minutes of reading. For those specific cases, which you learn during the apprenticeship, but which you're paid with the normal electrician's salary, I would be lacking…
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I guess it's because it guarantees employers that you can actually provide specialist knowledge when problems arise. Taking a risk and hiring someone who "appears" to be well-versed in a particular field because they've shown off their own work that they were able to do without a degree or training, but then when you hire them and let them work professionally, they completely screw up and constantly don't know what to do, can't keep up with the time pressure, etc., is simply not something the average employer wants to do. As I said, these are just my opinions on the subject, but I have to say that I don't really know exactly why.
Weil man nur so jemanden vorab ansatzweise einschätzen kann.
Weil man sehen will, dass jemand was bis zum Ende durchgezogen hat. Deshalb ist es oft auch gar nicht so entscheidend welche Fortbildung o.ä. genau es ist.
You even believe in the gender pay gap. It would be immediately clear to me that you think papers conceal skills.
Who's talking about me? I'm not a human resources person. That's what THEY think. And that's what you wanted to know.
I know that you can do things without papers.
You answer the question deliberately neutrally, and you immediately go against it….
I immediately object because your point of view is ridiculous.
But you're right, you were neutral and that was unfair of me.
Weil die Papiere die erworbenen Fähigkeiten und die Erfahrung klar belegen.
because otherwise everyone could come and say that he was, for example,
a qualified electrician or a qualified doctor without even having “basic knowledge”.
And it would be particularly critical if you pretend to be something important like a doctor without being able to provide any references – because people's lives depend on it.
Imagine you go to your family doctor and it turns out that he only gave you the right medication based on his gut feeling, because he had fraudulently obtained his position and credentials…
Would you continue to go to this doctor who has no references and has been very lucky so far that nothing worse has happened…
Und wie wurdest du eingestellt ohne Papiere?
Ach der muss es doch nur wieder mal loswerden wie toll er ist.
Geht doch schon seit Wochen so
No, that's not the intention of the question…
and that against the background that he has not yet achieved anything, earns no money and still lives with his mother ^^
Hired? I don't have an employer.
Again you're claiming something that's not true. I was never in special needs school😜, but you were in secondary school because you didn't achieve anything more! Why do you think only high school graduates are given preference for many apprenticeships? It's probably because people don't think students with lower levels of education are capable of it, precisely because the apprenticeship is so difficult. But you can't understand that because you never achieved anything more than secondary school and didn't even manage to complete an apprenticeship. You tend to overestimate yourself and have no idea that you're smarter than a secondary school student.
Why was my previous training the easiest there is?
Training courses are generally not difficult.
Not an achievement for a secondary school student, that's true. But for a special needs student like you, it's certainly an achievement!
In der einfachsten Ausbildung die es gibt ist es keine Leistung für einen Hauptschüler!
Wieso kommt keine Antwort mehr?
Wieso sollte ich dazu nicht fähig sein? Ich hatte nur 1 und 2en in der Berufsschule und wurde andauernd gelobt.
Ja . Ja du würdest Abi schaffen? Wenn du nicht Mal fähig bist eine einfache Ausbildung zu schaffen?
😂😂😂 The best thing is, you even believe the mustard…
I would graduate without any problem, but I DIDN'T WANT to. Because it's a waste of time.
Of course I can keep up, most people earn less than me 😂😂
You're being naive if you seriously believe this is related. The discussion ends here. You officially have too little IQ/life experience for a conversation partner, sorry!
That can only come from a failed high school student. Because that's all you can do in front of white people! You haven't even completed a higher education and you want to keep up with university graduates. How naive and uneducated are you?
Students are automatically smart? Oh dear, you still have a lot to learn.
Of course I can keep up, I earn more than 90% of students will ever earn.
However, I never used the word "all."
University = smart 😂😂😂 I'm laughing my head off, how inexperienced are you.
It's finally time for you to admit that you can't keep up with the smart college graduates.
When did I say that? Prove it, I'm curious 😀
Was denn sonst? Oder dass du mit Hauptschule mehr verdienst als jeder Uniabgänger ?