Why are pedelecs only allowed to use 250W?
If the law speaks of 1KW?
- L1e-A: Bicycle with drive system (marketed as Pedelec [6] )
- (According to criteria (9)–(11): “(9) wheels designed for pedal propulsion and equipped with an auxiliary drive whose main purpose is to assist the pedal function, and (10) the power of the auxiliary drive is interrupted when the vehicle speed reaches 25 km/h, and (11) maximum rated continuous power or net power ≤ 1 000 W […]”. [6] )
Because it’s not quite harmless if Grandma, without any exercise, with an engine performance that even professional cyclists only create for a few trits, radiates over the marketplace.
I even find the 250 W too much. You can see a number of people who have hardly any control over their powerful two-wheelers during normal driving. But, of course, if the car goes up to 25 km/h, you must also drive uphill to 25 km/h.
And when a dog or the like runs in front of the front wheel, it becomes exciting – if someone manages to block the rear wheel next to the helpless screaming and not fall off the bike, it seems to be a respectable performance.
Please do not misunderstand: I think it is good that so many people sit on bicycles that would otherwise not have been able to compete with them. I also think it’s good that you can get on a bike at any time, whether you’ve done any test.
But the bitter pill is that it doesn’t work. Things are too fast for unskilled drivers. Even with 250 W.
Hello,
in this regulation there is an additional subdivision for the “Pedelec” as pedelec according to L1e-A to max. 1000 watts, and the type-free group according to EG02, which can actually only have up to 250 watt drive power. The latter are then equivalent to bicycles according to § 1 paragraph 3 StVG.
I suspect that limiting to 250 watts without EU type-approval could be a German exemption from EU standards.
LG
Do you have a link? Would suuuper love!
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But there are (older) EU directives:
-2002/24/EC
-2002/25/EC §1 para.
However, as I already wrote, there is apparently in DE a 250 watt “limited” without EU type-approval, and thus also as a bicycle, and not a motor vehicle.
Well, I know what’s going on in the ÖPNV with us, what’s on my ticket INCLU.
I’m out of here.
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There are now Shimano 250s with 800W Peak.
I wonder why they put on 36V and don’t move 48V.
At 36V good 22A at 48V, such a strong motor pulls tight 17A.
The large batteries deliver (750W) 20A and thus 1.1C when driving actively (75 revolutions?) in sports mode 36V.
Market prices
Shimano good bike ~1000€, Bosch battery end customer 700€, Bosch engine end customer ~500€ (Bosch UVP are 1600€ for both)
Finally, I still wonder how the VK will come to €3500.
Bosch should have a noticeably higher efficiency/efficiency than competition.
The law mentions only one lasting performance with peak upper limit for a performance average.
Ask me ignorant how DIESEN cut wants to get individually.
That’s the German Michel.
That’s why probably the 250W subclass… 😁
The law denounces continuous performance.
Not the peak power.
The strongest 4KW scooter also has a peak power of 6.75KW
Scooter also have 800W Peak in strong models
However, “Peak” has something to do with relevance to averages. (See my interim reference to the more expensive E-Kickscooter)
Peak has nothing to do with continuous power.
The 640W Bosch motors are considered 250W engines because of the rated power.
From front motors, I don’t think much about pedelecs, because you can put yourself on the cardboard at a slippy ground quickly.
With Downhill / Sports, the fewest people should have something to do for a city/touring pedelec. The power versions according to L3e-A are likely to be > 250W Peak (m.E.) with it more to athletes/crossers, or load-wheel applications, or child transport / purchases up to max. 25 KM/h.
In the case of battery dimensioning with respect to capacity, however, Pedelecs also depends entirely on what the electrical system is demanded in the peak and in the middle passage in which driving stage in which terrain. 750 Wh can thus have a grossly supported driving power of between ~ 20 to 200 kilometres on average for pedelecs, depending on the power level.
Li-Ion and Li-Po are now still priced today, if it is to be particularly lightweight, flexible, and peak load. LiFePO4 or lead play no role in pedelecs on the battery in the ratio of volume to weight and energy density. But a thousand for 750Wh Li-ion is already very happy, even unharmed, on a pedelec battery.
On the other hand, the whole, however, for these purposes, must also be capable of a relatively long time with respect to peak load and average continuous load, depending on the intrinsic voltage and capacity in relation to guaranteed charging cycles (completely).
With respect to your car, you need to individually calculate in cost-benefits of claim, cost and benefit. Not everyone needs a 7-9 seater Kleinvan, or even a fat and even heavier SUV, but also not every one really needs a permanent family van instead of a supplementary thought on B&B + F … 😐
My small solar system will sometimes even actually reach for my small e-scoot AND various e-small devices, although B&B otherwise will remain my partners in addition.
All so small needle stitches against too high basic costs with less and less purchasing power of money.
Why then, in the case of a radiant sunshine, do not paint old gedöns of scrap places and polish up for solar parabolic cooking points ( & others) ?
I looked straight at Bosch.
Current models offer up to 340% additional power, while Bosch has the Markbest engines that can retrieve a power of 640W. Downhill riders should have found fun on the uphill with the Boschserie.
Front engines should have very negative and low properties and tend to slip away.
A 750W battery holds 30Km with full support and costs UVP 999€
I find here already strange where the car industry is celebrating the same technique that has fallen below the 100€/KW brand. Even though it has been pointed out that the casing and electronics of the battery have hardly fallen in price.
At Ebikes, I would put on Shimano brakes worth, the 200 series was specially designed for ebikes (low brake that brakes properly) and the 400s series has double pistons.
I can’t get used to the thoughts of letting the car stand around or even sell it.
At the beginning of the introduction of the so-called law for small electric vehicles (eKFV ), I also assumed that with 350 watts for the small kickscooterns, and max. 1000 W for vehicles with self-stabilization (with a minimum capacity for stabilization) would be layer.
Meanwhile, after StVZO / KBA, however, more and more of these small scooters with short-term also are clearly more than 350 Watt “Peak power” on the market. My little e-kicker has 300 watts max. in stage S, and does not exactly pull me off the board. (clearly, exercise already needs this, and I have set the on gentle approach in his app )
At about 5 to 7%, the one with me comes to its limits, because then he only packs about 10 to 12 KM/h.
Do you remember the Hercules Saxxonette? (and similar) This Lightweight mofa had already had with his 35 ccm two-stroke engine (if I know) ~ 0,75 KW, and up to max. 20 KM/h even allowed its motor to intervene with or without pedal actuation.
However, you can’t equalize 1 KW in the energy transition to torque between a two-stroke motor compared to an electric motor 1:1. Rather, 2.0-2.5:1 would be to be used as a useful factor from energy to torque, since in favor of the electric motor, the two-stroke engine does not operate almost linearly with respect to the torque in its speed spectrum compared to a well-pre-controlled electric motor.
The pedelec limited to 250 watts is in return, however, also without obligatory pre-training and without liabilityObligationinsurance from any person directly usable in public transport.
However, I can well imagine that 250 watts for physically untrained, or physically restricted persons with > 5% mountain rises and > 100 to 125 kilos total weight (vehicle + battery + driver + possible. Input ) could indeed be slightly dimensioned.
I don’t know this series of models with their performances compared to the classic 250 Watters now, and I honestly have just tested a 250-something “Good-Ped” with front hub motor from a friend. But if even a “popellier” e-scooter for activating and unlocking advanced driving performance functions can already set quite rigid to a training phase by the manufacturer, why shouldn’t that be implemented for pedelecs in the control software? 🤔
Perhaps the manufacturers also thought the spiders of the Europeans, 1000W for a bicycle.
Is there enough people who complain about the power of Bosch CX series, soooo is too strong.
L1e-A in vehicle registration instead of L1e-B – Elektroroller-Forum.de
Very simple: less battery power means lower costs for manufacturers. The 1 KW batteries will certainly also give, but the difference the manufacturers want to be silvered.
It’s about the engine, not the battery.
The strongest battery is from Bosch for Pedelec with ,75KW
Oh. I wonder anyway what makes sense it has to train at home with the ergometer, but to be on the bike with battery support on the go.
I’d rather go to some goal than in the gym on the spot.
But aerobics are fun.
Because the opis and omis with the pedelecs and the 250 W are already totally overwhelmed. The accident numbers of older e-bike drivers are scary.
We have already discussed the answer, the 1000W applies to self-assembled vehicles.
What is a self-assembled vehicle?
Is just one example Segway also belongs to the group or these clever things that are used in the city by young people.
But that’s not a bike, is it?
(1) Lit Motors unveils functioning prototype of its C-1 self-balancing electric motorcycle – YouTube