Where can I find cheap programmers?

Hi guys,

I'm currently looking for programmers to develop an app for me. However, I don't know where to find them. Do you have any good experience with this? It shouldn't be too expensive. Thanks in advance!

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apophis
1 year ago

On pages like Fiverr you should find something suitable.
Nowadays you can also find a lot on Ebay classifieds.

Generally speaking, quality has its price. And girth too.
The more professional and richer your app should be, the deeper you will have to dig into your pocket.

Palladin007
1 year ago

Where are all the people who think someone would work for lukewarm for months? That's bullshit.

If you're looking for a cheap programmer, look in the mirror, it won't be cheaper and then you know at least exactly what you have. And to intercept the "But I can't program" response: then learn it, is not a witchcraft.

If any cheap deals are taken by supposed "experts", this has a hook and you probably don't want it.

apophis
1 year ago
Reply to  Palladin007

Where are all the people who think someone would work for lukewarm for months? That's bullshit.

Because there's supply and demand, so no bullshit.
Especially since "for listen" was never the speech.

There are many students and self-learners who earn some money and at the same time improve their skills and expand their portfolio.

LUCKY1ONE
1 year ago
Reply to  apophis

You don't use students in big projects. I also don't know a student who sits for a little money for months. This simply does not take economic advantage of developing for months for a few hundred euros. In addition, you cannot expect something professional.

Palladin007
1 year ago

The idea can't be as stupid as my idea created a startup that doesn't stand bad…

It may be that the idea is good, but most ideas are not.
In addition, a good idea does not yet make a good and profitable company, including a lot of money, a lot of work and especially luck.

However, I am not interested in whether the app idea is good, but that the whole issue can become extremely expensive and that shopping for a cheap software developer is a stupid idea. The idea can be very good, but then you should be aware of the risk or implement the app yourself and save yourself the risk.

But if you are so convinced of your idea, do it right. Work out a specific business plan for the app, what features it should work, how everything looks, how you want to earn money, etc. Get opinions about it from your familiar environment and if you are still convinced afterwards, go to a lawyer and let you advise. And then you go to a bank and get a loan. With the money, you can then look for a really professional contractor so that the app will be deaf afterwards.

Palladin007
1 year ago

One simple app can be completed in time.

True, is also done constantly, but works as well as never.

Who says about 8 hours?

As good as anyone who follows a normal working day and wants to have some spare time. But it doesn't matter because less or more than 8 hours a day do not change the statement.

What kind of win?

Those who want to spend so much money usually do not do this without financial goals and the last comment from the questioner confirms this assessment.

And the software should also work! And no viruses included!

Welcome to reality.
Who wants to have cheap, gets cheap too.
And that the client also gets the source code is not inconvenient, often it costs extra.

Some offers contradict you.

And even professional companies in the field place such offers and deliver bad quality or take over time or do not supply a source code or …

There are more than "professional software developers in the free economy".

Right, there are unprofessional software developers in the free economy. Those who are not active in the free economy are not active in the free economy and are therefore not on Fiverr.

has written that you should show an example so that we can see what a quality promising offer is for you.

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But it seems to you (with a view of most sentences) more to discuss the will to go and this is too stupid to me, so I turn out.

apophis
1 year ago

Yeah, let's go.
You've done enough. ;

LUCKY1ONE
1 year ago

I am active on platforms like Fiverr and have already commissioned freelancers for their own projects. Do not worry.

With an individual app, of at least one medium size, a university project of a student brings me very little.

And now you come with steadfast, obliviously arbitrary submissions.

So typical.

It's no stopping. Just scroll up a little.

Good evening.

apophis
1 year ago

Then let me see an offer for a comparatively favorable software developer, who might also come to the start with exemplary professional experience.

Just look around on pages like Fiverr. Prices and experience of the providers are visible.

Even on Ebay classifieds, today you will find offers from students who sell their university projects.

But I see it coming, that's not enough for you and you'll be asking for links to offer because you're too good to inform you about the topic.
And then you will have any banal excuses for the linked offers and say "these are just x offers".
People like you already know here. That's a joke.

After your weak submission, you should stop this anyway. You don't seem to be able to follow the context anymore.

And now you come with steadfast, obliviously arbitrary submissions.
So typical.

You obviously have no idea about the niche. Accordingly, you also argue and look for excuses.
It's not so hard to see that something exists.
Let's be good.

LUCKY1ONE
1 year ago

Then let me see an offer for a comparatively favorable software developer, who might also come to the start with exemplary professional experience.

After your weak submission, you should stop this anyway. You don't seem to be able to follow the context anymore.

apophis
1 year ago

Professional software developers in the free economy are not favorable. There is no basis for discussion.

There are more than "professional software developers in the free economy".
There is also no basis for discussion.

Or do you want to seriously claim the many offers would not exist?
Maybe she created someone just to make the appearance there would be her!
We're on the trail of a conspiracy!

LUCKY1ONE
1 year ago

And you've got a big surprise that he can't afford it because he's only 14.

You seem confused. I never said that.

I have mentioned several cases in which they are nevertheless relatively favourable.

You don't seem to have understood that.

Professional software developers in the free economy are not favorable. There is no basis for discussion.

apophis
1 year ago

You obviously didn't understand the core statement: Software developers are expensive!

Yes, that was your core a statement .
I have mentioned several cases in which they are nevertheless relatively favourable.
You don't seem to have understood that.

In addition, the questioner even said that a start-up has realized with this app idea.

And you've got a big surprise that he can't afford it because he's only 14.

You know what a nonsense you give from you, right?
Jesus.

LUCKY1ONE
1 year ago

You obviously didn't understand the core statement: Software developers are expensive!

And please don't come with any students around the corner who have never heard of professional software development or software architecture.

In addition, the questioner even said that a start-up has realized with this app idea.

I don't know what world you live in, but a start-up probably doesn't rely on a small app that's finished in 2 weeks.

So absolute nonsense you're trying to pin it.

apophis
1 year ago

It's probably a stupid idea that you want to pay a developer for it.

It might be a good idea if you develop it yourself.

Whether the idea of ​​the app itself is good or bad depends on who develops it?

It's a huge humbug.

apophis
1 year ago

“Most” ah yes. And "most" always meets everyone, right?
Because the term says that, right?…

apophis
1 year ago

What I mean with "lau" has already described.

Such a self-designed definition, yes…

And no, a halfway qualitatively usable app is not finished in 1-2 weeks, provided it does more than just display a few pictures.

One simple app can be completed in time.
Read my comment neatly…

But even though, 1-2 weeks are already 40-80 hours at regular 8 hours, at minimum wages this is already 556-1112€ and I doubt that a minor has so much money for a stupid idea.

Who says about 8 hours? ANNEX Read it….

Who says something about minor? Do you really have to stalk the profile of the questioner and search for arbitrary information to have an argument?
Sorry, this is sad and in no way constructive.

If you also want to have quality (if you want, otherwise the nothing with the profit)

What kind of win? Have you ever read the question?

And you should also be allowed to give the source code, otherwise you are always dependent on this one developer, but this is also counted on the price, so even more expensive.

And the software should also work! And no viruses included!
Are you seriously trying to argue with self-evidents? …

Software development is always expensive and usually not portable for individuals

Some offers contradict you.
You can pull as many appearances out of your nose as you want, these offers exist and are by no means all "qualitatively bad" or "rip off".

I think you've never heard of this niche, and you don't want it to happen. Like it's just a theoretical concept we're talking about.
Such offers are reality.

apophis
1 year ago

What do you look like?

"Without payment." This is the official meaning of ds term.
I don't think of any own definitions. You can also remember words.

But honestly, as a developer, I'd like to take my time for a tensome. I could also go out pizza or clean up shelves in the supermarket!

And how exactly do you improve your programming skills with pizza or clean up the shelf in the supermarket?

How exactly does this benefit your portfolio?

Please read my comments properly before you answer.
I don't want any discussions where half of my statements are bluntly ignored.

Those who have to prostitute their skills on any freelancer platforms (for an appel & an egg) would probably not be a trusted contractor.

Not a trustworthy contractor.
You can be shitted by big companies just like freelancers.
Your argument is a straw man.

Palladin007
1 year ago

Okay, maybe a little too far ahead.

But there are always people here who, like you, have an idea for an app and there are thousands of apps out there, for which probably hardly anyone is interested, so it only leads me to believe that it will take place here as well – as common as that. But that's why the idea doesn't have to be bad.

It's probably a stupid idea that you want to pay a developer for it. Such a developer is expensive and good quality is even more expensive, as the app has to be very well thought out so that it has a chance to recover the investment costs. And you need a good financial upholstery to be able to catch the follow-up costs after the development (which it will give) as you otherwise sit at your expense without earning anything.

It might be a good idea if you develop it yourself. If the idea is not so complex that it can be implemented for a person in a halfway realistic time frame, then you can also learn and implement it yourself and you have no more risks. On the contrary, you even have the great advantage that you have learned programming, that can be valuable in many ways.

LUCKY1ONE
1 year ago

If he is looking for “cheap” programmers, I do not assume that his project will last for 2 weeks. And most of the projects you are looking for are just a little bigger months and take at least a few. And as I said. No one likes to take off for a little money for a longer period of time. In software development, cheap for me is “a few hundred euros”. (The project will not last more than a few days)

Palladin007
1 year ago

What I mean with "lau" has already described.

And no, a halfway qualitatively usable app is not finished in 1-2 weeks, provided it does more than just display a few pictures.

But even though, 1-2 weeks are already 40-80 hours at regular 8 hours, at minimum wages this is already 556-1112€ and I doubt that a minor has so much money for a stupid idea.

If you also want to have quality (if you want, otherwise the nothing with the profit) you are quickly in the 5-digit range. And you should also be allowed to give the source code, otherwise you are always dependent on this one developer, but this is also counted on the price, so even more expensive.

In short:

Software development is always expensive and usually not portable for individuals, except you develop yourself, then it only costs your own time.

@:
How to get a daily rate of 4000€? I want to…

Erzesel
1 year ago

A simple app is made loose within 1-2 weeks.

Especially since "for listen" was never the speech.

What do you see as lukewarm? (in my luster times I had a daily rate of 4000€, there would have been a normal self-employment rate of 50€/hour "Lau")

For a student_Nebenbei-Job, I'm just laying a banal hourly wage of 10€ (black) and 20 hours a week it will be tight for the 14-year-old questioner…

But honestly, as a developer, I'd like to take my time for a tensome. I could also go out pizza or clean up shelves in the supermarket!

Those who have to prostitute their skills on any freelancer platforms (for an appel & an egg) would probably not be a trusted contractor.

apophis
1 year ago

You don't use students in big projects.

Who says something about "big" projects?
The FS only writes to an app.
A simple app is made loose within 1-2 weeks.

I also don't know a student who sits for a little money for months. This simply does not take economic advantage of developing for months for a few hundred euros.

Where's something from "Months" or "a couple of euros"?

Please listen to your thoughts, just to have arguments.
That's sad.

Pixelated
1 year ago

Look at Fiverr but don't complain if the code is a pretty crap, the app doesn't run reasonably or you get free spyware in the worst case.

Narrativium
1 year ago
Reply to  Pixelated

the app does not run reasonably or you will get free spyware in the worst case.

Depends on the service provider at Fiverr, which are sometimes very different in prices. A complete app depending on the size does not come cheap.

Pixelated
1 year ago
Reply to  Narrativium

Look: a small app for under $100 https://www.fiverr.com/s/lE6mbj

Source code not included. Who knows what you get. And a 5.0 rating sounds too good to be true.

Pixelated
1 year ago
Reply to  Narrativium

And if it gets cheap, there's a catch. And there is certainly a script girl from Malaysia who promises to build an app for $100.

Pixelated
1 year ago

Your problem is probably the ambivalent definition of the word Scriptkiddie.

I'm referring to this:

There is also a further use in the field of programming. There, the word refers to a person who copies foreign source code for their own projects to use their effects, but without understanding the code.

Source: Scriptkiddie (Wikipedia)

I'm sorry if I caused confusion.

apophis
1 year ago

And there is certainly a script girl from Malaysia who promises to build an app for $100.

Script Kiddies don't build apps.

arnemei
1 year ago

you will find the best programmers https://www.programmierer-direkt.de , there are the absolute full professionals from all programming areas that are 24/7 and also help with smaller things for free.