When do resistors cancel out of a circuit?

Hello, I have the following circuit where I need to do a node voltage analysis:

I'm not sure, but in an ideal circuit, don't all resistors that are connected in parallel to a voltage source and all those that are connected in series to a current source cancel each other out?

In the solution the resistors were not eliminated, but why not?

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isohypse
2 months ago

If you’re R1 overcrowd and the right-hand resistors 3, 4, 5, 6 take out, then of course nothing will be added to the node potentials I marked yellow.

What doesn’t work?

In the solution, the resistors did not slip out, but why not?

If in your result the yellow nodes of R1, R3, R4, R5, R6 depend, you did something wrong.

isohypse
2 months ago
Reply to  tobi2247

What do you mean “painting”? I’ve already written: R1 can be replaced by a bridge (short-close), take the others out (replace each with infinite). Also in the approach you don’t need to take into account all these resistances at all.

isohypse
2 months ago

What? superfluous we can’t know. You change a circuit to better calculate the rest. In reality, the node 3 can have an important function and it also has a well-defined potential. Similarly, current flows through resistors 3,4,5,6… also this current may have a meaning. The removal is only used to make it easier to achieve a result. And as I said, the result for the yellow node potentials does not depend on the resistors. No more and no less…

isohypse
2 months ago

Yes, of course you lose a knot purely formal, but the tension is trivial to calculate if you already have the yellow knots.

Kwalliteht
2 months ago

Resistances can’t be smashed out anywhere.

The drawing’s pretty blurred. The first error, which is roughly in the eye: a current measuring device is connected parallel to the resistor R2.

Lutz28213
2 months ago
Reply to  Kwalliteht

Parallel to R2, there is probably also a power source – like the source I1. It’s not a measuring instrument!

Kwalliteht
2 months ago
Reply to  Lutz28213

Ups. Doesn’t change any resistance. It can also be seen where U3 is present.

Kwalliteht
2 months ago
Reply to  tobi2247

From where to where U3 is created? From where should the resistance be calculated?

Kwalliteht
2 months ago
Reply to  tobi2247

The circuit may still be so idealized. If it is not clear to WELCHE Voltage and WELCHEN Resistance, you cannot calculate anything.

Lutz28213
2 months ago

First of all, it would be important to know what is even asked!
Only then can one say which resistances play no role in the answer.

“Screeds” can’t resist at all – and if you want to “paint” (because they don’t play a role), then you have to say what “stroke” means: replace with short-circuit or idling?

Your cross doesn’t say anything.

Lutz28213
2 months ago
Reply to  tobi2247

Yes – in principle, that is true. I’m just missing the question and the non-technical term “stroke” bothered me without saying “take off” or “short-circuit.”