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xAviation787
2 years ago

Someone from the crew has to open the door (with a security code), then someone has to be the best pilot or fly a plane can land it (the air traffic controllers help one).

VanLorry
2 years ago

Could the air traffic controllers land the plane? Or do they have no access to the on-board computer?

No, you need someone on the plane who controls it. There’s nothing going on with remote control.

Could a stewardess land the plane with the help of the tower?

No. No – don’t keep much better than anyone else (passage) on the plane. Someone from the flight crew may know. a small bit (because they see the day), where for example the radio is, etc. But actually _flies_? No.

juergen63225
2 years ago

It can’t happen. Anyway, there are hardly any cases in Hollywood movies that happened. In smaller planes it is more likely. Just a pilot and maybe a private pilot among the guests.

To minimise the risko, the pilots must not eat the same menue… so if a fish takes the other meat or vegetarian.

Remote control would be technically possible, but involves a new risk: hackers could take an aircraft without being on board. That’s why such systems have never been installed before.

Flying doesn’t really have to be able to land a passenger jet. I flew sailplanes earlier. But in a jet simulator no chance to land manually without crash. But everything goes without taking over the control itself. But I’m already making it difficult to identify and use all the controls by radio with instructions from a pilot.

Still
2 years ago

Hopefully they have opened the cockpit door before, otherwise it was with the intervention possibilities!

Danny59
2 years ago
Reply to  verry176636

No. The doors are provided with a code so that the hijacker does not have access to the cockpit. It wouldn’t make sense if the flight crew knew the code. Under violence, they would then be able to betray the code. The possibility that both pilot and co-pilot will fail is more than unlikely. Unless something burns in the cockpit (or there is a strong smoke development), but then the flight personnel will not be able to align even if they come into the cockpit.

Still
2 years ago
Reply to  verry176636

Unfortunately sad truth: from the outside it is not open!

Still
2 years ago

Right, in response to the disaster.

Still
2 years ago

Right, so in response to the crash.

funmovie
2 years ago

The article is about the crash and is of 26.3.2015

Still
2 years ago

The article you link from February 2015 comes sensually, 1 month before the crash of the Germanwings machine. This is the question: what is different today. (and better no one can research this on the net!)

funmovie
2 years ago

English can be translated.

The access for Airbus A320-Jets is controlled from the cockpit, with only limited possibility for external control.

At Airbus-Jets, access is requested via a keyboard outside the cockpit door. An Airbus manual and an online guide video show that a summer in the cockpit sounds and the pilot or pilots at the controls can decide whether to change a switch to unlock the door.

Is there a way to open a cockpit door from the outside?

If the cockpit does not respond to a request to open the door, the flight crew can enter an override code on the keyboard which, according to training video, also triggers a 30-second alarm in the cockpit.

If there is no reaction from the cockpit until the end of the alarm, the door automatically unlocks for five seconds and can be opened from the outside according to the training video.

But without the emergency access code “you don’t get in,” says Glen Winn, lecturer at the University of Southern California Air Safety and Safety School. “That won’t happen.”

What happens if the pilots in the cockpit don’t want someone to open the door?

According to Airbus training materials, the flight crew in the cockpit also has the possibility to refuse emergency access by pressing a “speed” switch.

When the switch “Sperren” is selected, the outer keyboard is disabled for five to 20 minutes or until the pilot decides to unlock the door according to the training materials.

“If the LOCK position has not been used by the pilot for at least 5 to 20 minutes, the cabin crew can request emergency access to open the cockpit door,” says the Airbus manual.

Still
2 years ago

unfortunately English, but here is a quote from the Wikipedia article that I link:

SinceAttacks of 11 September 2001cockpit doors in commercial aircraft are mechanically reinforced and electronically secured so that they can no longer be opened from the outside against the will of the cockpit crew.[15][16]

Still
2 years ago

Quote from my link:

SinceAttacks of 11 September 2001cockpit doors in commercial aircraft are mechanically reinforced and electronically secured so that they can no longer be opened from the outside against the will of the cockpit crew.[15][16]

Danny59
2 years ago

Because the copilot locked the door from inside. Then no one comes in, even with code

Still
2 years ago

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings-Flug_9525

And why didn’t the captain get to the cockpit?!

Danny59
2 years ago

Air traffic controllers can only see the aircraft and give instructions by radio. You have no control over the plane.

Artus01
2 years ago

There is a rupture landing. Unless the airport is equipped for automatic landings.

Tigerkater
2 years ago

The plane will fall out of heaven : No one will enter the cockpit!

xAviation787
2 years ago
Reply to  Tigerkater

The crew knows a code to open the cockpit door.

Mathelatte
2 years ago
Reply to  xAviation787

I don’t think so. Then the security door wouldn’t make any sense because a terrorist might threaten the crew with a gun and get to the code.

funmovie
2 years ago

That was meant in addition. The code is available, but it does not release the door, but instead activates the bell in the cockpit. The crew has the final decision.

There is also a master code that activates a 30sec alarm and then releases the door when no reaction comes from the cockpit.

Mathelatte
2 years ago

That’s what I wrote.

funmovie
2 years ago

The crew in the cockpit decides who gets access and can lock the door. See Germanwings Flight 9525. https://www.latimes.com/la-fg-cockpit-security-20150326-story.html

muurleaune
2 years ago

Most of the passengers are someone who knows something like that.

VanLorry
2 years ago
Reply to  muurleaune

Yeah, when it goes to Hollywood. :

muurleaune
2 years ago
Reply to  VanLorry

😉

bergquelle72
2 years ago
Reply to  muurleaune

but only in the film

Mathelatte
2 years ago

The safety door of the cockpit can only be opened from the cockpit…

xAviation787
2 years ago
Reply to  Mathelatte

No the crew knows a code to open the cockpit door.

Mathelatte
2 years ago
Reply to  xAviation787

I don’t think so. Then the security door wouldn’t make any sense because a terrorist might threaten the crew with a gun and get to the code. Not even the second pilot comes into the cockpit if the other one does not let him in.

Elias737
2 years ago
Reply to  Mathelatte

Not right, it has a code to come in

Mathelatte
2 years ago
Reply to  Elias737

Not right. It’s the right thing “funmovie” wrote:

That was meant in addition. The code is available, but it does not release the door, but instead activates the bell in the cockpit. The crew has the final decision.

There is also a master code that activates a 30sec alarm and then releases the door when no reaction comes from the cockpit.

xAviation787
2 years ago

That was an A319 then that is different from a B747 that is possible with a code

Mathelatte
2 years ago

Oh. So I can remember a case where the co-pilot deliberately dropped the plane while the pilot had left the cockpit… Not so long ago. And neither the pilot nor the crew came into the cockpit. They tried to hammer the door with an axe… As I said, the security door would make no sense if the crew could open it with a code. Then you could leave them completely.

xAviation787
2 years ago

I know that because I know some pilots and even flew over 50 times, the least know about the code.