What does it mean when we say nothing is faster than light?

Hello 🙂

I wasn't sure how to phrase this question. But my question is more along the lines of, what exactly do we mean when we say that light travels fast?

What you're talking about is how quickly the light spreads when you turn on a lamp in a room, for example? So, how quickly the light spreads throughout the entire room, so that everything is bright. I hope you understand what I mean xD

I find the law fascinating and would be happy if someone could explain it (please in a way that is understandable even if you don't know much about it xD)

Thank you very much:)

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SlowPhil
11 months ago

Hello Lena942820,

The astonishing thing isn't how fast light travels, but that its propagation speed is finite. Even Descartes believed that light doesn't need any time at all, which would mean that even events arbitrarily far away could be seen as they happened.

In the same (17th) century, however, RØMER was able to roughly determine the speed of light propagation c based on observations of Jupiter's moons. It turned out to be quite large by human standards, but quite small by cosmic standards. Today, the value is known more precisely: c = 299,792,458 m⁄s.

So when you look into the distance, you're automatically looking into the past: For the Moon, 1.3 seconds; for the Sun, about 8 minutes; for Saturn at opposition, just under 1.5 hours; for stars other than the Sun, years to centuries. And it goes even further:

In the constellation Andromeda, there is a patch of light visible to the naked eye under good visibility conditions, the so-called Andromeda Nebula. This is actually a galaxy similar to the Milky Way; light takes 2.5 million years to reach it.

However, I would like to address the wording of your question:

What does it mean when we say nothing is faster than light?

It means that (relative to a reference body considered to be at rest, such as a clock U) no body or particle can move faster than c. A body or particle with mass m or rest energy E₀ = mc² cannot even reach c, but can only approach it arbitrarily, for which its kinetic energy Eₖ must be so large that E₀ can be neglected.

The deeper reason lies in the geometric structure of spacetime : two events can

  • be separated in time , ie there is a coordinate system in which they are co-local , ie take place at the same place,
  • be separated in a light-like manner , such as the transmission and reception of the same radio signal, and
  • be spatially separated , i.e. there is a coordinate system in which the events take place simultaneously in different places.

In a spatial plane, which we will call the zx-plane, there is a distance Δs between two points, for which the Pythagorean theorem applies:

(1) Δs² = Δz² + Δx²

Fig. 1: A rotation of the coordinate system does not change the distance between two points in the zx-plane.

Something similar exists in spacetime or for two events in the tx-plane, MINKOWSKI's distance square

(2.1) Δτ² = Δt² − Δx²⁄c²

for a pair of temporally separated and

(2.2) Δς² = Δx² − c²Δt²

for a pair of spatially separated events. Obviously, Δτ is a time span and Δς a spatial distance.

Fig. 2: The change from U as reference clock to a clock U' moving uniformly in a straight line relative to U as reference clock (LORENTZ transformation) does not change the MINKOWSKI distance between two events.

In fact, Δτ is the time span that a local clock Ώ would measure directly, the proper time , while Δt is the time span between the same two events determined from U, the U coordinate time .

SlowPhil
11 months ago
Reply to  SlowPhil

Thank you for the star!

PMeindl
11 months ago

That’s exactly what I mean.

Light is really fast.

It sets a distance in 1 second that reaches 7 1/2 x around the earth!

SlowPhil
11 months ago
Reply to  PMeindl

Light is really fast.

On a cosmic scale it is, of course, quite lavish. For the way from the sun to the earth it takes over 8min, for the way from other stars to earth years, decades or centuries.

PMeindl
11 months ago
Reply to  SlowPhil

…sometimes even billion years

SlowPhil
11 months ago

But you have to use already potent telescopes.

hologence
11 months ago

The so-called speed of light is the speed at which reality propagates. Nothing that has rest mass* can reach this speed, and only because photons do not have rest mass, they have this speed, therefore the name.

The name also comes from the fact that one thought earlier that the light needed an absolutely stationary medium in which electromagnetic waves spread (as sound waves in air), the so-called ether. The question of what such a stationary ether was spatially defined led to the Michelson-Morley experiment, which was actually expected to measure different speeds of light in different directions at the speed of the Earth by the ether. Surprise: no difference, so no ether (unless it would happen to be stuck to the earth). This not only shows that there is no ether, but that this speed is a natural constant that is the same in all inertial systems and therefore cannot be overhauled, because if you try to overtake the beam of a flashlight by car, it is as fast as relative to the flashlight relative to the car.

Only here is the special relativity theory, which depicts quite simple mathematics (Lorentz transformations), which has the effect on times and lengths (and also the kinetic energy*) in moving systems.

*) Kinetic energy of objects with rest mass contains a term of Lorentz transformation such as times and lengths. If a vehicle is accelerated to the vicinity of the speed of light, an increasing proportion of the supplied energy goes to less and less speed increase and lets the vehicle always appear carrier for the external observer – the speed of light is never reached.

dompfeifer
11 months ago

It’s about the so-called. Light speed, i.e. the speed with which light spreads: these are approximately 300 000 km per second and corresponds to 7.5 times the circumference per second.

thequestioner21
11 months ago

No problem, I can explain that! When we say that “not faster than light” we mean that light has the fastest speed that is possible at all. Light moves at a constant speed of about 299.792.458 meters per second in a vacuum, which is enormously fast.

The example with the lamp in the room is a good approach to understand how fast light is spreading. When you turn on a lamp in a dark room, you will immediately see the light that spreads in the room. This is because the light is extremely fast and moves through the room at this high speed to illuminate everything. It is fascinating how fast the light is and how it illuminates our world!

thequestioner21
11 months ago
Reply to  Lena942820

Can ChatGPT thank you

Sinus4651
11 months ago

This means that the light is the fastest. There’s nothing that can be faster. We never give an invention or similar that is faster.

LG Sinus

PMeindl
11 months ago
Reply to  Sinus4651

Never say…

Apache206
11 months ago

Speed of light = 299792 km/s

Passenger aircraft = 0,25 km/s

Can you decide what’s faster?

Apache206
11 months ago
Reply to  Lena942820

What do you not understand? It’s self-explanatory.

Apache206
11 months ago

Didn’t know exactly how to ask.

How to understand if you can’t even properly formulate your thoughts yourself?

Another user has also indicated the speed in km/s per second and received a thanks from you. You’re taking two measurements here to evaluate answers…

segler1968
11 months ago

Speed of light is the speed with which reality is spreading. This also applies to other fields such as gravitation. There is no way to bring any “information” faster from A to B than with speed of light.

PMeindl
11 months ago
Reply to  segler1968

In quantum physics?

segler1968
11 months ago
Reply to  PMeindl

No, not there either. Quantum restriction does not transfer information.

Ranzino
11 months ago

Light speed (except in starter/Starwars and similar fantastic noise) is the fastest speed that would be possible for matter and electromagnetic waves.

segler1968
11 months ago
Reply to  Ranzino

It is not possible for matter.