Which medications for sleep disorders?
I've already tried the non-prescription ones like valerian, melatonin, etc., and they don't help. I mean the prescription ones, really. Which ones have you had the best experience with?
I've already tried the non-prescription ones like valerian, melatonin, etc., and they don't help. I mean the prescription ones, really. Which ones have you had the best experience with?
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Various drugs are used for the treatment of sleep disorders. Basically, the doctor decides what he writes to you and what does not, yet at this point a small overview:
Classic sleeping agents originate from the group of benzodiazepines (e.g. lorazepam, hallucinepam, midazolam etc.) and Z-drugs (Zolpidem and Zopiclon). They act highly effective, have close to no side effects, but make it difficult to rely on when used too frequently. Consequently, they serve primarily as emergency media for short-term use.
Other medicines are used for the longer term drug treatment of sleep disorders. Although these have a little less reliable and have more side effects, they do not depend. Concretely, the sleeping side effects of other drug groups are primarily utilized.
Antidepressants:
Antipsychotics:
H1 antihistamines:
Orexin receptor antagonists:
I wrote a longer post under the answer of Sarkasie. What do you mean? What do you think this looks like and could help neuroleptics?
I read your post. If you ask me (but I’m not a doctor) your sleep disorders have become self-employed. You don’t go to bed with the expectations. This vicious circle must be broken. Since you are already looking at your sleeping hygiene, a medicamentary treatment (in my opinion) is quite an option.
You write that you had a hangover from Trimipramin. This is no longer surprising. Trimipramin has a half-life of about 24 hours. You therefore need a medicament which has a sleeping effect, does not make dependent, is compatible and has a short half-life. It’s not easy. Here may be some ideas:
Amytriptilin doesn’t help. Be tired, but be tired in bed.
Ich bin kein Arzt und will deinem nicht zu nahe treten, doch Amitriptylin ist was das potenzial von Nebenwirkungen betrifft deutlich “krasser” als Quetiapin, Trazodon oder Daridorexant. Konkret:
Sehr häufige Nebenwirkungen bei Amitriptlyin (mehr als 10% aller Konsument*innen betroffen):
Sehr häufige Nebenwirkungen bei Quetiapin:
Sehr häufige Nebenwirkungen von Daridorexant:
Sehr häufige Nebenwirkungen bei Trazodon:
Die Wirksamkeit ist von Person zu Person sehr unterschiedlich. Im Durchschnitt ist wohl Quetiapin am wirksamsten, gefolgt von Daridorexant. Dann Amitriptylin und am Ende Trazodon. Aber eben, jeder Mensch reagiert auf jedes Psychopharmakon etwas unterschiedlich.
He finds these three medications too crassed. He prescribed me amitriptylin 8.84 mg. A 20 pack. And I’m supposed to be a neurologist. Sleep lab is not yet, I could go if the neurologist finds nothing.
I’d do and listen to what he has to say. He can give you even more/more accurate information about these medications or he has other alternative suggestions.
Thanks for your answer! ðŸTM‚ Do I have to ask my pediatrician (who had prescribed me also Trimipramin) specifically for these medicines?
Hello Erdnaandre!
What sleep disorders: insomnia, sleep apnea, sleep or sleep, excessive daily fatigue….?
Is the cause known as stress, anxiety, depression, physical illness or unhealthy sleeping habits?
Because without diagnosis, no therapy!!
Many medicines can also be purchased without prescription. In sleep disorders, H1 receptor antagonists such as diphenhydramine doxylamin, cetirizin, Loratadin etc. are used. They have much less side effects than psychopharmacists.
Although most are well tolerated, they should only be taken in consultation with the doctor if the drug is suitable. Especially in the case of pre-disorders, taking without medical consultation may be associated with health risks.
Substances contained in formulations such as benzodiazepines or the similarly acting so-called. Z-substances such as Zopiclon, Zolpidem or Zaleplon. These act primarily anxious, scratching, muscle relaxant and damping. However, these can also lead to reduced drive, innocence, dizziness and a general emotional insufficiency. In addition, these substances have a high dependence potential. Therefore, these should be taken only in the short term and exclusively under medical supervision!
Psychopharmaceuticals often have the most common side effects than other common drugs.
The doctor usually prescribes prescription sleeping pills only if he considers it necessary. The use of such medicines is generally only advisable when all other measures such as sleep hygiene, medicinal plants or sleep dissection have been successful.
Greetings Sarkasie
Hi, thank you. Trimipramin has been prescribed to me several times, which helps well against sleep disorder. But I have a hangover when I wake up. I’ll answer later in more detail, I’m on the leap.
By the way, I had already taken prescription currant before Trimipramin, this has not developed any effect at all, even after consistent administration for a long time. Cetirizin doesn’t work with me either. The only thing that has really worked with me so far was Trimipramin, but the next day I always had a hangover and sometimes even stronger headaches. Maybe I can also try neuroleptics, maybe they also slow down thinking so much that the disturbing factors I described no longer push up, similar to when I am alcoholized.
Hello, now I come to answer you in more detail. This is mainly a sleep disorder. If I fall asleep within an hour, I’d be very happy to do it. But I often need two hours, and in the morning I often wake up too early, and then I’m still tired in bed, don’t sleep anymore and I’m tired during the day. So a little bit of sleep disorder. Sometimes, like last night, I’ll wake up the whole night. This happens in a cut once a week. I’m 30 years old. I’ve had sleep disorders since childhood, maybe from 12 or 13 years. My mother, who has also always been in sleep disorders, has once shown me progressive muscle relaxation after Jacobsen and Autogene’s training / fantasy journey, so CDs for listening. It used to sometimes, not always helped, fall asleep within a few minutes but also never worked with me (maybe in rare cases, but mostly not).
I participate in all kinds of health care for sleep, where sleep hygiene, etc. I know all these rules: During the day to the fresh air, before sleep go ventilate, sleep ritual, half hour before bed no electronic devices, fit mattress and pillows, no alcohol, no caffeine etc. It was also said that sleep disorders would already exist if you need more than 15 minutes to fall asleep. I almost fell off the stool because I can’t believe it. I’ve also tried to read half or half an hour at night after Nintendo Switch, from 10 a.m., and only then go to bed when I’m tired. And shorten the sleep time. This sometimes helps me, from the 15 minutes, let alone the minutes that some consider to be of course, but I am miles away. And I often wake up all night in respect of these rules. Even if I was in the gym the same day.
My mattress, pillow, bed, rust, are actually perfectly matched to me. However, when I’m in bed, I find it tormenting to have to lie quietly. I try to direct my focus on my breathing, deep breathing and breathing etc. I always distract myself. I always notice some place on the body that feels bad, for example toes, head, etc. So that I always have to put myself differently and never feel comfortable. And since it got colder outside, it got worse. Because I’m gonna have to wear a pajamas, undershirt and panties. The clothing (although it has the right size and is not too narrow or too far) just disturbs me in bed. It always pulls somewhere when I turn, and the feeling of not lying right is much stronger with clothing. Even if I use sleep hypnosis and the other methods mentioned, these (probably trained) disturbing factors repeatedly break the focus and push themselves strongly into the foreground. This isn’t the case, for example, when I used to be a student, I was very drunk with others and then I was very alcoholized. Then I didn’t care about anything in bed and I could sleep faster. If I’m sober, the opposite is the case, then it bothers me. Or, when I once got trimipramin prescribed by the family doctor, the tiredness urge that pulls me down into sleep is much stronger than the (unavoidable) disturbing factors.
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Thank you
I’ll push the thumbs!
Thank you.
Topics such as taking medications, interactions, (over) dosage and drug abuse are very critical here: Diagnosis, therapies and medication should only meet treating physicians and trained professionals.
I therefore turn out more generally.
Trimipramin belongs to the group of tricyclic antidepressants. It is primarily used to treat depression, but can also be used in anxiety disorders and sleep disorders. Trimipramin acts by inhibiting the resumption of neurotransmitters such as serotonin and norepinephrine in the brain, which can lead to an improvement in mood and alleviation of anxiety. As with many antidepressants, adverse side effects can also occur in the case of trimipramin, which is why medical monitoring is important during the treatment.
If you’ve already had good experiences with Trimipramin, as far as you’ve done, I’d try again. As I mentioned, you should finally come to rest at night, sleep for at least. Six hours. This could be a first step towards improvement;)
Thank you. I have three trimipramin tablets left last year, do you think I should take one tonight or try it again without?
🙈 Oh, no, that’s the wrong way you want to go.
There are some people who only need four hours of night sleep.
But 55 years without sleep, sounds superhuman for me and is also not a healthy example of generality, certainly just a single case.
I know an experiment for the longest time without sleep: 11 days 25 min. This record was set up in 1964 by Randy Gardner, a 17-year-old student.
But deliberate avoidance of sleep involves serious health risks and is not recommended!!
A healthy night sleep is therefore so important:
▪︎ Relaxation for the heart. Because fat and sugar metabolism is also regulated, the risk for HK diseases can be reduced.
▪︎ Sleep deficiency can make thick and negatively affect blood sugar levels, thus there is an increased risk for diabetes mellitus.
▪︎ The immune system, the defenses are strengthened.
▪︎ Night rest regulates hormone distribution and also plays an important role in metabolism and cell repair.
▪︎ Rest for body and mind. If you sleep well, you can better reduce stress. Who does not seem more susceptible to mood fluctuations and mental illnesses.
▪︎ Sleep strengthens memory. Those who hardly sleep are less absorbent the next day and can’t remember the information long.
An examination in the sleep laboratory helps to clarify sleep problems and diseases associated with sleep.
The HA or the treating FA transfers patients to the sleep laboratory. Such FÄ are, inter alia, HNO doctor, neurologist, psychiatrist or internist.
If you do the night to the day and vice versa, you’ll get your biological clock completely messed up. Very interesting I find the facts about the Chinese organ watch!
Look in here.
https://www.carstens-stiftung.de/artikel/die-chinesische-organuhr.html
If I stay awake longer and longer until it is no longer possible, my body automatically catches sleep if it really needs it. If he doesn’t sleep, the body apparently doesn’t need sleep. Instead, my environment could also take into account my reduced performance, because I can’t do anything for them.
I’ve been following the tip of getting out of bed insomnia and doing something until you get tired automatically. Until now, I’ve been awake and not sleepy. I only played, then read, then listened to Sach-Hörbuch. Not getting tired. Maybe it’s also an option to get used to sleepless critique. In Turkey, a man has been living without sleep for 55 years. What do I get from lying awake in bed at night? Then you better enjoy life and do things that are fun, right?
You are welcome
Thank you very much.
https://youtu.be/BBzgciBhEZg?si=QG_ymTlXTwDMDre6
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Ojee, your history of suffering I can feel well because I have problems with sleep too. With me, the problem is when I mainly take unresolved worries into sleep, then I sometimes inevitably grumble for hours and more. Long periods of wake in the night, so that I have too little sleep in total, and I’m like wheeled during the day, I find even worse than sleep disorders.
I keep hearing that many neuroleptics or even up to 11 antidepressants have already tried.
Or I read if someone is always disappointed in psychopharmacology. Since it had deteriorated in the course of the year, she thought, she gives all this a new chance, after two years of abstinence.
Many have actually only the desire to find a drug against their sleep disorders.
As a patient describes, at the beginning of the year was against his will in the psychiatry, he tried many neuroleptics, none worked. They make him tired, but not sleepy and the next day he has a huge overhang. Ultimately, only Zopiclon, which had to be quickly dropped.
Or that in a trimipramine helps as a sleeping agent and sleeping agent.
For example, if you go to a psychiatrist, you’ll come soon after his speech. with further diagnoses. Like a depression that is quickly treated with antidepressant. Depressive people often suffer from sleep disorders. In many cases, Mirtazapin is started. It often helps within 15 min, at the latest 30 min after taking. Then you really sleep like a baby. I took Mirtazapin’ smelting tablet. The dose is increased from time to time, as the effect is also quickly filled. Often, Mirtazapin is also happy to be combined with psychopharmacists.
If all this helps nothing, then there are other drugs with similar active ingredients. If you’re a serious case, you finally took 10 different medications as mentioned above. Many patients have to swallow more than just an antidepressant or neuroleptic. In addition, there are often also L-thyroxin, vitamin D, heart medications or insulin preparations.
I have a good video here for you with a psychotherapist:
What do antidepressants, neuroleptics and co? – My experiences with psychopharmacists
All right. 6:10 min he speaks specifically to sleep disorders.
http://www.https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBzgciBhEZg
What I remember is a diagnosis in the sleep laboratory. The waiting times should be very long. I was in the sleep laboratory Charité Berlin years ago, but without success.
I am also very sensitive during the day and certain parts of the body always feel bad. For example, my right foot quickly hurts me (have already matching inserts), or my right armpit hurts (all annoyed to find no cause). Even if I’m in social contact with others, that’s the way.
If antihistamines do not count, etc., this is the best. Melatonin doesn’t really help me. What’s better than the two are not without prescription.
Uh… yeah, I don’t know any prescriptions. Michael Jackson probably liked Propofol but died
Your doctor can order you neuroleptics in the lowest dose, they work sleep-promoting and sleeping and not antidepressive in low dose, so they are prescribed to sleep.
You should ask if that would be suitable for you.
Good improvement for you.
What are examples of neuroleptics?
Neurocil drops, they are good to dose
I wrote a longer post under the answer of Sarkasie. What do you mean? What do you think this looks like and could help neuroleptics?
Trimipramin leads to weight gain when taking a lantern and has anticholinergic side effects.
You should talk to your prescribed doctor again, as your problem is wide-ranging.
I sleep very well with lavender flowers and valerian’s root.
If I were more powerful, I asked my doctor to wake up again.
I’ve been trying these things for almost twenty years and it’s not helping me.
Valerian?
https://www.stiftung-gesundheitswissen.de/presse/better-sleeping-mit-baldrian-wie-gut-helf-plant-sleepers
I’ve been trying these things for almost twenty years and it’s not helping me.
I took it yesterday and yesterday…Result = 0
Your sleep problems have at least one cause. Find them out and eliminate them. Enjoy a healthy lifestyle. Then you will also sleep in and through.
You have no idea.
Yes. And I have no sleeping problems.
Do you live healthy: Do you eat sufficient and healthy? Are you drinking enough? Are you moving? Do you perform tasks during the day? If so, you will be happy to rest at night.
Had Trimipramin, I could sleep well. Just the hangover annoys.
always find something uncomfortable on the body and feel it as torture to have to lie still. Bed, mattress, slat rust and pillows are checked by experts and optimally tuned to me.
Do you know the causes of your insomnia?
That’s why you have no idea. And your answer is not helpful. So please don’t answer, okay?
Try sports.
Try it.
Then you do something wrong or have an unhealthy lifestyle.
Always these useless answers that do not answer the question. I’m gonna ignore your profile now so I don’t have to see your answers anymore.
It was too high for you, forget it.
what?
Well, if this happy lifestyle infiltrates health, you might want to turn to the lucky barometer so that you can have longer luck in the long term.
A happy one can stay this way and I’m not letting myself in!
What’s your lifestyle?
I don’t want to change my lifestyle, I just want to sleep halfway well.