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DerJens292
2 years ago

An interesting question you’re asking. But it’s bad you have to put them at all.

Almost all world-improving organisations and parties call for a reduction in meat consumption, some even the abolition of livestock farming. People could be without animals.

Is that really going? There’s no evidence.

At some point in the last 20 years, someone of this world improver could have come up with the idea of proceeding with a good example and proving that vegan plant construction, if possible still in bio, would be possible at all.

What do we have in Germany? 30 % of greenland which must not be broken down to grow food there. 70% of arable land, half of which is “used” for animal feed.

The yield of the area is already halved in organic farming alone. Even if only food is cultivated for the vegans, we have just as much herbal food (the animal is missing). First year.

In the 2nd year the animal fertilizers are missing and the yield continues to collapse. Unfortunately, there are already experiences in German history.

https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/der-schweinemord-von-1915-als-die-wissenschaft-eine-100.html

It was well noted that there was enough food that could have been consumed directly by the people without loss of refinement. Nevertheless, there was a famine because the fertilizer was missing.

As soon as greenland has to be broken, massive humus degradation with CO2 release and nitrate scrubbing begins. Both damage the environment. In addition, there is a reduction in biodiversity and rainwater storage capacity, increased erosion and food safety.

Each hectare, which cannot be used for food production in Germany, is replaced by the 3 area in foreign countries. Since the same problems are encountered in the world’s vegan diet, only rainforest removal remains. The cleared rainforest lurks out after a few years and the last tree is cleared quickly. Where that ends, you can easily imagine.

The world improvers of Nabu, BUND, the Greens and, as they all are called, are afraid to introduce an cultivation without animal fertilizers.

It cannot lie on the surface. They all own land, even the Greens, who have already put several federal ministers or rule in BaWü, could spare a hectare of state somewhere to show that it is. Or one of the dependent research institutions could produce 1000 m2 in the pre-garden for plant cultivation and then study.

For several reasons, this is not done. On the one hand, we want to weaken German agriculture in order to make its voters choose the party because it does something against animal suffering.

It does not matter that agriculture is being driven against the wall, it is already prescribing (or intentionally) trade agreements with abroad so that industry can export its products without customs duties. As a payment there are cheap foods.

Without agriculture, their CO2 equivalents can be consumed by other sectors.

In general, one is afraid to grow plants because world improvers and researchers do not want to dirty their fingers and the unsustainable vegetable growing in the weed field is a loss business. This is not supposed to be a general knowledge.

And if it would be known that it is not possible without farm animals, the donor beggars would not be able to fight against something vitally important smuggling, and the donations would break in. That would be against the chosen business model.

Veganism goes only because you selectively buy your supposedly vegan products in the supermarket, but they were made with animal fertilizers and in the case of imported fruits with the FAIR label, perhaps with animal tensile strength in soil processing. In the past, the women had to take the plough when the family was so poor that they could not afford a tractor. Or the small farmers stop living from the unconditional basic income and leave their land pieces to the large corporations.

In addition, a spokesman of a research institution paid by the government demands that no animals be slaughtered and that the government should support laboratory-meat factories. Laboratory meat does not come from the craftsman at the corner, but from the large group. The more you think about it, the more the direction becomes clear.

Whether the young girls know what direction their views and decisions lead our society?

So what happens when all vegans live?

It would end in a disaster!

DerJens292
2 years ago
Reply to  DerJens292

Thanks for the star.

EinAlexander
2 years ago

What happens when all vegans live?

All meadows and pasture areas would no longer be managed or kept short by farm animals. The result would be a bulging and foresting of the entire landscape.

All plants and all mammals, insects, reptiles, amphibians, birds, etc., which need the meadows as habitat, would die; because everywhere there were meadows, now would be forest.

Wild animals like wild boars would take over as they would not be hunted anymore. They would destroy the fields where vegan food is grown. Who has ever seen a corn field after a visit to a red wild boar knows what I’m talking about: https://www.kurier.de/content.wildschweine-verwuten-maisfelder.f7354e99-24f6-492d-a305-f352d63d75b6.html.

The development of medicaments should be stopped, since no attempts to efficacy and the like can be carried out on animals.

Since it is not possible to feed seasonal and regional vegans all year round so that you are sufficiently supplied with all nutrients, the rich industrialized countries would have to import food from poorer countries and thus eat this food away to the people living there (as is now Avocado from Mexico, Quinoa from Bolivia, etc.)

Conclusion

A vegan lifestyle can only be drawn through if only a very small part of humanity lives vegan.

Alex

Kugelflitz
2 years ago
Reply to  EinAlexander

Busting and forest? Never, it would have to be cleared to create almost enough arable land at all, and even only in the countries where arable land is possible at all. People in charitable countries, such as Mongolia, then simply have bad luck or are dependent on import.

Wild boars, deer and all other forest dwellers would lose their habitat and overrun the towns, then miserable. Plants die, mushrooms die, soils dry out and erode.

EinAlexander
2 years ago
Reply to  Kugelflitz

Never, that would have to be all cleared to create almost enough arable areas at all

True. It must be borne in mind, of course, that many areas that are currently meadows are not possible at all. No potatoes can be planted on a pond and no wheat can be harvested on a meadow.

BesteFrege
2 years ago

If all people were to turn to a purely herbal diet, this would have both positive and negative effects on the environment, society and health.

Positive effects could be:

  • Reducing greenhouse gas emissions: A herbal diet is usually more environmentally friendly than a diet based on animal products, as the production of plants usually produces less greenhouse gases.
  • Improving health: A herbal diet rich in fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts and seeds can help people live healthier and reduce the risk of certain diseases.

Negative effects could be:

  • Changes in agriculture: In order to provide all people with sufficient food, agriculture might have to change their priorities and practices to satisfy the demand for plant food. This could lead to a reduction in biodiversity and environmental problems.
  • Overloading of resources: The production of plants also requires resources such as water, soil and energy, and it is unclear whether there are enough resources to satisfy the increasing demand.
  • Possible problems with nutrient supply: Although a herbal diet can be healthy, it can be more difficult to obtain sufficient quantities of certain nutrients such as vitamin B12, iron and zinc, which normally occur in high concentrations in animal foods.

It is important to note that there are many different forms of herbal diet and that not all are equally healthy or sustainable. However, a balanced herbal diet based on a variety of foods can be a healthy and sustainable option

Questioneer93
2 years ago

I think many people have serious problems with malnutrition. Many people would also die.

Perhaps humanity would die because no healthy children would come to the world.

But perhaps some people would still bring healthy children to the world and humanity would develop over generations into a plant eater.

In any case, it would be a blessing for nature and the environment. But a disaster for humanity.

Kugelflitz
2 years ago

Mass-wise species of livestock die out, which of course the human also finds bad again.

There are massive forests to grow enough food at all, after all we do not eat the whole plant, like our livestock, but only a fraction of it.

Insects die from the use of pesticides and the absence of flowering plants on pastures.

There will be hunger and malnutrition, as in many regions of the world no arable farming is possible at all. There will also be malnutrition.

Society breaks down.

2002Nutzer
2 years ago

You have to kill all farm animals, the price of cereals is going to drop massively. Not all agricultural areas can be used. The yield will shrink extremely, so that the grain price will then even increase again, as well as all common fertilizers are based on animal products from animals. All meat and milk must be destroyed. It is not clear whether there is a lack of nutrition. Furthermore, it cannot be ruled out that poverty is emerging in the economically strong countries, because there will be economic problems. Millions of farmers will stand before the end and go to plenary.

Pure vegan diet is not what helps us further.

warning534
2 years ago

I am particularly concerned here with the negative effects, because they are always turned under the table as non-existent:

  1. Many people would lose their labour income (farmers, dairies, cheeses, butter producers, butchers, barbers, sheep wool producers, carpet weavers in the Middle East, clothes factories. … So you could not buy wool sweaters or leather shoes, for this more cotton with extreme irrigation (Aralsee!!!) and construction of chemical factories for synthetic fibres.
  2. Animal breeds would die because they cannot survive without the human beings in nature (Rinder, pigs, sheep, chickens, geese turkeys …. Who should feed her and why, what about her offspring?
  3. Ree and deer would eat tree shoots and in particular damage young trees. They don’t have any natural enemies, and if the hunter doesn’t shoot anymore, then. More wolves and bears?
  4. Fertilizer could only be manufactured chemically – more degradation in nature and transport from developing countries, more chemical factories and more pesticides
  5. Soya cultivation should be extended worldwide, but it does not thrive everywhere, rice leads to higher climate-damaging methane emissions
  6. Deiches would be overgrown and destroyed by tree roots, therefore increased use of machinery for maintenance and mowing (by hand), otherwise breaking dikes and flooding
  7. Heide areas would be overgrown by trees, as no sheep would eat away and from heath would forest
  8. The existence of wild boars would increase as there are no real enemies, and come to the cities and make destruction there. The fox population also (see e.g. Berlin).
  9. People whose entire society are, for example, based on cattle farming (see Massai) or camel farming (see Mongolia) would be swamped into other ways of life. Cultures would extinct – and we are talking here about cultural appropriation in detentalocks or whether we buy our medicine in the Mohrenapotheke.
  10. Dogs and cats that are kept as pets would starve because you can’t feed them so easily.

Of course, meat also has disadvantages, but this is due to mass animal husbandry, how much meat you eat, what meat you eat. It’s about water consumption that the grazing economy “consumes”… where does the water go, into space? … or is water a cycle (i.e. not that there can be an unequal distribution)? But how the mass does. With and without humans, water will be in circulation and evaporation here, elsewhere also comes as too much. But in particular by factors of technical nature and mass use.

So enjoy vegan life without proper reflection. I’m a vegan.

Who but Vegan as Supplement “I’m FLEXITARIER” and I don’t constantly buy new shit on the Internet and then send it back because it’s so comfortable.

When it comes to methane —- yes rice cultivation ensures considerable methane impact – as well as all natural bogs and the thawing of the permafrost soil – we do not need to think about veganism at all.

So again… Balance, close to nature, no masses and, above all, no dogmatism – neither here.

LinuxLinda
2 years ago

If all mankind lived vegan, the global ecosystem would get out of balance. The world would turn into a terrible dystopie in which harvests would fail due to overgrain and erosion and water pollution would increase due to the lack of natural fertilizers. This would lead to a far-reaching food scarcity, as the plants that serve as a substitute for meat as a protein source would not be sufficient to feed people. Hunger and disease would spread throughout the world, while despair and violence would increase. It could even become so bad that humanity is brought to the edge of the decline.

0Naya0
2 years ago

There would be much less farm animals, and they would have a nice life. The pasture area needed much less, which is why we use this area to grow cereals, etc. I don’t think it would be perfect, but still better than what we have right now.

Athina333
1 year ago

For young people and adults it is quite possible to live vegan. This is difficult for children.

The body needs to build up, among other things, animal proteins and fats, which cannot be completely replaced by vegan diet, if one does not want to endanger the tooth and bone formation of a child.

Nordseefan
2 years ago

There are hardly any animals left. And the ones that could cause enormous damage. Because they need to find new hunting areas.

Well the pastures could be taken for food cultivation. That would not be enough, because the yield would be lower. Many fertilizers also contain animal substances.

Not only farm animals such as pig, cow, sheep etc would disappear, but also the pets we love would disappear like dog and cat.

Maybe some lover carnivals survive.

xx grams of meat saturate better than xx grams of vegetables.

Many people (more than now) would have to starve, then not every floor is suitable for arable farming.

Think about the dikes. Now they are cultivated much by sheep. This is much more complicated by human hand.

However, since “people” do not want to give up “meat” substitute products are used. And the damage of the animal world is also enormous. (Reforestation of rainforest in favour of soya, for example).

People would get sick in rows, because then I don’t eat meat anymore is a set that is not so easy to implement healthy.

KTg3KYipE3m
2 years ago

Cheese is traded on the black market.

grossefrau681
2 years ago

You see that man is incapable of implementing this (see palm oil).

MirandaXoXo
2 years ago

One effect would then be that one could theoretically stop the world hunger, because the areas used for the cultivation of livestock feed could then be used for the cultivation of food for humans and that would save some calories.

SweetKatjaGirl
2 years ago

In any case, less animal suffering. I could imagine that there are no more farm animals in the world, so choose to extinct breeds.

grossesding700
2 years ago

Nothing good.

wickedsick05
2 years ago

Famine, forests are deforestation and many animals would die.

wickedsick05
2 years ago
Reply to  Madeleine0498

Farming is the most harmful.

With synthetic fertilizer, the highest yield is, however, harmful to the environment, because a great deal of energy is needed to produce it. For this, natural gas and oil are used, which is finally and ecologically unsustainable.

In organic farming with animal fertilizer, yield is approx. 30% lower.

In vegan agriculture, even by up to 80%. Therefore there is only approx. 5 vegan farmers in Germany because this is a niche product.

For this, the production of 1 kilo of vegan plants produces up to 4 kilos of plant waste. In the case of non- vegan agriculture, this is given to animals and also gains valuable nutrients.

Feeding the whole world organic would be extremely difficult, vegan is impossible.

Stellwerk
2 years ago

Then there are many unemployed butchers.

DracoLord
2 years ago

That would be a disaster. The ecological cycle would be raped

zocker0796
2 years ago

No animal suffering from humans. Less fats and diseases. Higher GDP. Less wars etc .

DracoLord
2 years ago
Reply to  zocker0796

You don’t think so