What happens if the engine sucks in a bird or several birds? What do the pilots do then? Do they just keep flying if the engine is still working or do they return to the airport and can they even land with so much kerosene?
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In the case of a bird trike associated with one of the two engines, this is either set in idle, i.e. idling, or completely shut down.
An emergency at the air traffic control centre should now be declared. This is followed by an emergency landing.
A long-haul machine, whose maximum landing weight is still exceeded, has to fly holdings with the remaining engines and their fuel dumps.
But there’s no further flying here.
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But why is the fuel released instead of flying 5, 6 , 7 hours and eating it
Since you still have a landing option in immediate range.
And I forgot: The passengers have also booked for a multi-hour flight, would be mean to land again in no time
THE is the best: ‘blows nicely for 6 hours unnecessary CO2 into the atmosphere, ..’ – in a catastrophe situation always pay attention to the CO2 gap! ♧♧
And then you wouldn’t have the “damage” by the fine fog kerosene (dumping you don’t do in 2000 feet) doesn’t seem to be anything significant below, but you’ll blow Co2 into the atmosphere for 6 hours, circle around in a “full” ATC sector for several hours where the lot of other traffic around you, and risk that in the 6 hours a further error occurs randomly.
*Sarkasmus an* So yes, I wonder why this is not done more often than suggested by you, then the lots do not always have to say “Fuel Dumping in Progress” on the frequency. *Sarkasmus off
You want to land as soon as possible. Unnecessarily staying in air for 4 hours would possibly endanger the safety of people on board. So do not
No I mean that you don’t leave a charite, instead you just fly 6 hours and get used by the flight charite without leaving off so just fly 6 hours in circle then you don’t have to leave a kerosene that is harmful
Fuel dumping does not take six hours 😅 but it takes a time. A flight from Tampa International to San Francisco had to leave some more than two hours of holdings flying to fuel after launching a bird trike.
Yes you can fly 6 hours in a circle
Can’t be said on a flat-rate basis.
Sometimes a bird just goes through the engine and gets shredded, sometimes there are damage from light to catastrophic. Depends on many factors, such as the size/number of birds, location and speed of impact in the engine, operating condition of the engine (partial load or full load), and of course also the type of engine. Some people stand out more, some less.
In this case, it is trained and also gives checklists. Reaction depending on the extent of the damage and possible consequences. This can go from normal flying to immediate emergency landing.
Of course, a passenger plane can also be fully tanked landings. However, if there is a risk of a crash/fire when landing, and at the same time there is still time to do so, fuel is released before landing to reduce the risk of fire.
In addition, an aircraft can land with more weight even without major problems, without which the chassis immediately collapses. The procedure is called overweight landing, and in the handbooks of the aircraft there is something to do in such a case. An A320 has a “normal” Max Landing Weight of 64500 kilos, and a maximum starting weight of 73500 kilos. In the case of an emergency immediately after the start (an A320 has no fuel dumping feature), you can’t even crawl around for a few hours and burn 9 tons of fuel while your cabin is flaking off at the back, you come in with MTOW. In the procedure, you must remember that your approach/country speed is higher than normal and you must be careful with setting the flaps. N Go Around at an airport in Germany (height and temperature) the A320 can weigh up to a weight of 83000 kilos, so no problem at all. Then gently set up (sink rate less than 360 feet per minute) then come to stand with Max Reverse and necessary brake interventions and expect to melt the Fuse plugs on the tire at over 800 degrees and then you get the plates. Such things have to be a flyer before he gets a certification.
It must be landed in such situations. Even if the engines still seem to run normally, it is not guaranteed that nothing happened, which can drastically worsen during further flight. Even if “only” the aircraft fuselage is damaged, this must be investigated.
A small crack in the outer skin triggered this:
The Miracle Landing Of Aloha Airlines Flight 243| Mayday S3 Ep1 | Wonder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYYa7Fq5Ec6c
Of course, this Aloha-Airlines case was also due to “island hopping” material fatigue. Due to the short flights and thus extremely many start-ups and landings, the aircraft was exposed much more often than an aircraft in long-haul flights.
In case of a bird’s impact, it must be landed and if time is, kerosene is released. It’s best to do it over the sea, but if it doesn’t go, it’s over land.
But at the emergency landing on the Hudson there was no time for such a measure. The plane had a little height and both engines were off.
Doku: The most spectacular emergency landing in the world? | Real Stories Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuR2RHttx4o
And an A320 has no possibility for fuel dumping 😉
Really? Isn’t that risky?
Great answer!
😂👍 – you can look at every flight accident investigation for years, but this is never mentioned! It is never mentioned that a plane cannot leave a kerosene. Probably this is such a self-evident knowledge that air traffic controllers and pilots never respond to this if it is not possible.
You can install this on some patterns (A330, e.g.) as a “special equipment” on customer request. Otherwise, see my answer. Even with the maximum starting weight, you can carry out a landing (even Autoland would be approved) without any major difficulties. Yes, if there is no medical or similar time-critical emergency, you’d rather circle a bit and burn fuel to save you the flight suitability check.
In the beginnings of aviation, only such aircraft had to have a dumping system whose maximum starting weight is at least 5% higher than the maximum landing weight. In the meantime, only flyers need not be able to keep the certain inclines in the case of a Go Around or with a defective engine, as far as only large 4-beam flyers are concerned. All two-beam, however, meets the above criteria and has therefore not even provided that the pilot can dump
Emergency landing, of course. A burning aircraft flying through the opposite is very dangerous
On the Hudson River, for example.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-Airways-Flug_1549