Was haltet ihr von dieser Aussage – Vegan?
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Hallo, meine Mutter hat gestern diese patties gekauft. Die laufen am 23.7 ab also in 5 Tagen. Die patties haben aber so komische Flecken und für mich sieht das nicht gut aus. Meine Mutter meint das sind nur Zwiebeln. Ich will andere nach Meinung fragen bevor ich sie zubereite. Die patties waren die ganze Zeit…
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Hallo , ich hatte Lust auf diese Cornflakes hier und hab ein Screenshot von einem Bild auf Google gemacht aber das Problem ist das ich nicht weiß wie die heißen
Cherrypicking or “double moral”
If we take the first list and draw out from it what characteristics or categories the food has been chosen.
Then you can find that the list below is not complete.
As an example:
We have Bacon, HotDog burger and cheese. As well as other prepared dishes.
Here, naturally, the vegan variants are accepted.
However, this means that we have to count the prepared dishes.
What does the list below not simply mean on 3 types of meat (probably chicken, cattle and pigs. [that there are even more species here will also be ignored, for example hammel or wild]). Bacon, Burger, Hot dog. tacos, Burritos and the Pasta court, as well as baked with one. Must be downstairs too.
Upstairs we represented the apple two times. Once in green and once in red. What does that mean to differentiate varieties. Consequently. We also need to distinguish cheeses and do the same for meat. for example, chicken loaf is other chicken meat than chicken breast.
Conclusion: Willy compiled lists that should only show the vegan more choice than meat.
For answering the question. Completely fills the list of “Vegan food”. Because this is quite big. But the author of posting may not only be concerned with answering the question of what is more vegan than eating at all.
The implication that is made here “veganers have more choice than not vegan” is simply wrong as it cannot be right. A non vegan can also eat all vegan products in addition to animal products he has no restriction in the diet with taking out his own taste (which does not play a role here) so he also always has a larger selection of what he wants to eat.
Consequently, the statement is: vegans have more choice. It’s wrong.
You didn’t really look at the meme.
You think it’s about comparing what kind of diet is supposed to be better.
But in the Meme it is not about a Vegan vs meat.
There, the vegan is only shown not to have to miss out on as much as you always think. You don’t have to miss out on enjoyment.
This is clearly recognizable in the Meme that this is not about the Vegan supposedly better.
As I said in my answer, however, there is no comparison between the vegans and non- vegan food.
The line Non Vegan food is superfluous.
And if you list both categories then you have to fill them according to the same criteria. Everything else is dishonest.
This, however, is compared in the meme: Vegan and nonvegan. It is not obvious that it should only show how much choice vegan people have.
I don’t see that. That is what I am going to do. The topic has shifted from the actual topic to that we discuss the previous discussion. This is from my point of view and the same discussion, because it has emerged throughout the course and there has now been no cut in which someone has suddenly raised a completely different subject.
And even if. I don’t see anything negative. Why shouldn’t I look out when I see something different than you?
You’re starting a discussion on xD
That’s correct. And I didn’t argue in a following way either.
Check out the comment again.
I quote the phrase from you that it is clearly recognizable.
I have also commented accordingly.
And against the argumentation that the classification of categories also requires a fair selection of things that occur in these categories.
Didn’t make any arguments. But you were shot again that I misunderstood the meme. What is basically irrelevant for criticism at the time.
What I tried to show you in the following comment.
That’s not true. I told you that you’ve done it.
You started the discussion. Because your ego didn’t realize you made a mistake.
Your lack of criticism is not my problem, but something you need to work on.
I want to note that you’re the one who started discussing here. I just saw my view of the picture.
And later on this point:
That’s not what I see. Unfortunately, you’re not going to the points I’ve called why that should be. And have not called a good argument that should be so clear.
Instead:
You’ve got something here.
have you created the meme? Or why do you know exactly what the author wants to tell us? That would explain why you become so determined in the critique.
You’re making the meme responsible for what you didn’t understand?
Although it was clearly and unambiguously explained in the Meme.
I’ll meet you.
You’ve read that it’s about vegans, and you’ve had foam in front of your mouth. In your fanaticism, you have made a “who is better” debate out of it and completely outraged you. When I pointed you out your mistake, your ego had trouble admitting you were wrong. Now you’re still trying to discuss even though you’re wrong. What is just childish justice.
The Meme is unique. You were wrong. I can’t do that you’re not critical.
Neither is the Meme guilt you’re going to be full of iron, and you’re groundless, nor is there anything to discuss here. You don’t have to talk about head and collar either.
Try to let your political fanaticism get out in the future. Just because it’s a question about vegans, you don’t have to turn right on the cable. Next time try to remain objective and simply answer the question.
And how does that make me? In which it puts the vegan possibilities in realization to the others… so confronted.
Even under this point of view it is still Cherry Picking.
The things are available as a vegan alternative. All right. Nonetheless, vegans dispense with many types of citizens, hot dogs and pizzas as well as cheese throughout.
And there is a greener as well as a red apple listed as possibilities. Keep pizzen citizens, etc. I’ll be listed. Because like a green apple is not a red apple and vice versa. Is a citizen not a beef burger or a Häncheburger.
And if you call up grumbling and red apples. As 2 different possibilities they have.
You also have to list cattle hamburger and Chickenburger below as 2 options they do not.
Otherwise, this is now an unequal adjustment because here in the 2 categories is measured with different dimensions.
Then the memeeter should concentrate on making the message clearer and allowing less alternatives for interpretation. But I have already told you that, for example, I would never have come to the idea of interpreting the non vegan articles would simply not exist. Because then the meme clearly transfers the message. Well, look how many we can eat.
And if I look at the others answer, the misinterpretation is going through.
However, I think that you can do with legitimate wise. I didn’t really answer your question. But the form of submission (i.e. the meme itself) is criticized.
That’s why I make it more concrete here:
The statement that vegans have many alternatives to meat. It’s just true. The question: what do vegans eat? Isn’t a good question because if you think a little bit, you get to many products.
No, you’re still making a confrontation.
Meme says that vegans don’t have to give up as much as you think.
hamburgers, cheeses, hot dogs, pizza etc are available as a vegan alternative.
That’s why they’re not listed below.
What you say doesn’t make sense.
Below is listed what vegans need to do without and what vegans can eat.
You’re completely wrong about this. Because you misunderstood the Meme statement. But I already explained that to you.
Best regards
What can I get from it? That I have much less variety as a poor meat eater? Nonsense, because I can eat both: the whole top list (and even without replacement products) and also the bottom one.
And if I think of the whole variety of cheeses alone, with their so different flavors, then I feel completely underrepresented by the one piece of cheese. For this, red and green apples are shown in the vegetable list – why not at least two cheeses?
In meat, of course, the same applies: a beautiful beef roulade is something completely different than a steak or a boulevard. A lamb-rolling roast cannot be compared with a rusting bowl.
What to say 😅 stop something undifferentiated because it doesn’t make any sense. It is probably targeted at the replacement products, but then the last foods could have been packed with them. So it looks like you don’t know that’s in the croissant butter, a hot dog is actually made with sausages, etc.
Well, let’s see it like this: I’ll take the hamburger as an example. Usually a hamburger is not vegan (and also not vegetarian, see Patties), due to the patties and the cheese (and possibly the sauce? Come on to the sauce. However, there are also vegan hamburgers. However, a vegan hamburger can also be eaten without any problems by a person who is not vegan food.
My mother, for example, has been vegan for about 12/13 years. She couldn’t eat a non-vegan hamburger. (Also she could, but she doesn’t want and that’s to be respected.)
We “Everything” can eat “everything” while vegans (and vegetarians etc.) can’t eat (and want) because not everything is vegan. The non-vegan hamburger is not vegan. Ergo: He does not fit into her diet/their diet lifestyle, or whatever I should call it. For vegans are thus restricted in their food selection as they can not both, but only eat one of the versions.
However, – and I think that the post wants more out (?) – the post is probably more for the people who think that vegans could only chew on their beans, corn and oat flakes and would otherwise have nothing to choose from. The vegan diet is still very versatile. Because you have to be creative here and there. Means: You automatically try many new foods that you would otherwise have never discovered or only discovered later.
And I say it like this: you can also have a fairly limited diet as an “everything”. Take me as an example. I don’t eat much. (Not due to allergies.) Plus: Yes, of course, the “Everything” nutrition consists not only of meat, eggs and cheese.
My mother is also anything but thin/normal weight, so from that. It is easy to eat and take a lot with vegan diet. That may not have happened 40 years ago when the offer was still really bad – if it was there at all, no idea, I’m not that old – but today… I don’t know. It’s much easier.
I realize that not every vegan is eating substitutes, but I’ve ignored that. My mother does. The stuff is also not as much more processed as the Hamburger at McDonald’s or as the Allesser sausage in the form of a bear or in flower form etc. (Very realistic! What? Didn’t you plant sausage flowers this summer?)
Pretty stupid!
I’m an all-eater, which doesn’t mean I’m eating meat alone!
I also eat salad, vegetables, cereals, etc. And to a delicious vegan food I don’t say “no”!
But vegan meat substitutes are just gross. There is neither consistency nor headnote. And above all, a conglomerate of aromas and additives is used, which can simply not be healthy.
Lovely Veganism is just as a religion as various other faith communities and where extremeism can lead you to see everywhere!- and there it is totally awkward whether it is (not) nutrition, gods, traditions….or anything else.
The picture shows that there are a large amount of plants that you can eat, and animal products in relation only make a small part. From potatoes, cereals, noodles, rice, oatmeal, corn, fruit, vegetables, legumes, beans and lentils, from which people should feed, you can do everything: pizza, burgers, lasagna, wraps, cakes, pastries, pommes. The assertion that one cannot eat anything as a vegan is therefore wrong.
To cut off animals’ head and spread anti-vegan misinformation and propaganda is extremism. Carnism is called the ideology of non-Vegans.
And there is science that vegan substitutes are healthier than animal products.
Plant-based animal product alternatives are healthier and more environmentally sustainable than animal products
2022: Vegan replacement products are healthier than animal products.
A four-week dietary intervention with mycoprotein-containing food products reduced serum accumulating in community-dwelling, overweight adults: A randomized controlled trial
2024: Vegan replacement products are healthier than animal products.
Animal vs Plant-Based Meat: A Hearty Debate
2024: Vegan replacement products are healthier than animal products.
My English is not good enough to understand that, sorry.
But if I listen to my body, he regularly asks for meat.
I grew up with it, even in times when there was something from meat on the table at most once a week. And that was before times of mass animal husbandry and industrial “meat production”, only the expression “meat production” is hardly to be overwhelmed by cynicism!
And if there was a carnival at Christmas, I raised it myself and my dad slaughtered it.
I’m pretty sure you got the picture wrong.
Besides, how do you think the vegan diet has something to do with extremism?
It’s a diet.
I’m a meat eater. According to your argument, eating meat is a religion that leads to extremism.
I never claimed.
If you say that…
Eating and enslaving animals has always been unethical and unhealthy. It used to be necessary to survive. But it does not follow that we should still do it today.
That we need animal products to be healthy, these are myths. And non-vegans have a distorted perception. That’s absolutely correct.
Non-vegans are dogmatics.
That’s nonsense.
Man exists much longer than there are industrialization and diet ideologies. Even longer than there are nutritional sciences.
Hunters and collectors, heard before?
This is not an ideology, but a fact that you cannot deny.
Your texts are more likely to be based on an ideology, because they are smearing with this word and such as “myths, distortion of perception,” etc.
But if I’ve learned one in my life, it’s better not to get involved with a dogmatic.
Animal products are unhealthy, regardless of quality, origin and preparation, because they consist of the same toxic, carcinogenic ingredients:Cholesterol, animal fatty acids, animal proteins, growth factors such as IGF-1, hormones, carcinogens, oxidants, bacteria, viruses, haems. These problems are associated with all diseases in tens of thousands of studies and the most important mechanisms behind them are scientifically known. Non-Vegans focus only on the positive effects of the good ingredients (nutrients), which account for 0.1% of dry weight, and ignore the negative effects of the bad ingredients that represent >99% of dry weight. This isAppeal to Minority Fallacyin a health context, a logical failure. The positive effects of the good ingredients cannot compensate for the negative effects of the bad ingredients, so animal products – despite nutrients – lead to bad health outcomes.
Vegan replacement products do not have these problems, so they are automatically healthier. That is why it will never be studies that show the opposite.
Yeah, that’s also carnism and speciesism. We were born into this belief system with false values and health lies. Even at the time when fewer animal products were eaten, it was wrong and unhealthy.
Carnism: The Psychology of Meat
Karnism is the ideology/the belief system of non-Vegans and the reason why people eat certain animals, but not others.
Carnists and speciesists believe it to be natural, normal, natural and necessary that animals are enslaved, punished and murdered for food, clothing, entertainment and science, because these people have been conditioned by carnism since their birth. The fact that people are involved is that karnism has certain defence mechanisms that eliminate human problem awareness. Without consciousness there is no free choice.
Karnism also spreads misinformation and anti-vegan propaganda so that animal products are considered healthy and beneficial.
A neckline fromKarnism Book“Why we love dogs, eat pigs and attract cows: an introduction to carnism”:Pages 42 and 43,Pages 44 and 45,Page 46 and 47
Carnism video
Quotes from the carnism video:
Very coolly presented! 💪🏻
What do you think of this statement – Vegan?
To make it look more, green apples and red apples were listed extra.
However, only 1 variety was shown in cheese, and not all 240 (?) varieties. You can also make butter or quartk from milk.
Honey was also “forged”.
The variety of meat types of different species is not shown.
And finally you forget that normal eaters can additionally eat the vegan products.
Vegans are restricted.
All right, there are also yellow and stained apples.
And you forgot the vegan alcohol, such as beer and liquor, tobacco and cannabis. Vegan is so healthy. Right?
Then you misunderstood the picture. In the upper picture it is shown what vegans can eat and in the lower what they cannot eat.
That’s why it doesn’t make any sense to list hamburgers below.
Because Hamburgers are a vegan alternative.
It should not show that the vegan doesn’t have to give up as much as you think.
Your mistake was to assume the image be a Vegan vs meat. Bzw that’s what you wanted to do.
But the picture shows just the vegan has to miss out on less than you think.
It’s even in the Meme.
Best regards
“Then you misunderstood the image.”
Since everyone who answers here understood the image “wrong”, could it not be that you expressed yourself wrong?
Only in the wrong language.
“What can vegans eat (even = even)?”
Vegans are allowed to eat everything pictured, because they are not forbidden to eat animal products.
“to the extent possible and practically feasible to dispense with animal products.”
And if you don’t mind, vegans can eat that.
Since I’m a “non vegan” I know I’m supposed to eat everything pictured.
In German, “non vegan” would be called normal food. Even there would be a wrong idea, Normalesser should not eat green apples.
Nevertheless, you forgot honey, and with vegan tobacco, drugs and alcohol, also sugar and salt.
You asked what we think of it, and I answered that your picture is incomplete.
You don’t need to write, I got it wrong, because it’s my opinion, and on the other hand you forgot a lot of vegan stuff.
And you still forgot alcohol, drugs, salt and tobacco. in Vegan
…you’re talking desperately about head and collar…
You don’t want to say that vegans are forbidden to eat animal products?
Vegans are allowed to eat everything that is depicted on your picture. Normalesser as well.
I’m on spinach, though. Voluntary. Vegans also give up voluntarily.
Even the militant vegan would kill an animal and eat meat if it isn’t different. A vegan does not have to harm himself by starving instead of eating animal products.
Well, you misunderstood the image and made a wrong answer based on a misunderstanding. What’s not that bad first. I corrected you. But somehow your ego seems to have a problem with it, and now you’re discussing yourself desperately for head and collar. I don’t understand.
Is it your fault?
Seems to be incorrect in terms of content, as much as is stated as vegan is usually not vegan. If there are vegan versions, of course, but if you were to consider this, the cheese picture would have to be there.
The cheese is also on the right in the upper field. I suppose it’s what you think. vegan alternatives are taken into account.
Oh, yeah. Well, I guess it should show that vegans don’t give up as much as you generally think.
All the products shown are vegan. Cheese
I am a special case in that I have dealt very intensively and objectively with various forms of diet. And also tried for a certain time. Especially vegan and paleo. Therefore, I do not always see what is evil in everything, but try to put me into the perspective of the respective group in order to understand what it might have meant.
You’re one of the few who got the picture right.
It’s just that you don’t have to miss out on as much as you think and the vegan can eat deliciously.
It’s not about vegans being better than eating meat. I eat meat myself.
Kp why other users think this?…
Are you serious now? And everyone’s gonna find it good.
Also: Cheese, Bacon, Tacco…
Jaich stopped wasting my time after Hamburg with such an infatile nonsense 🙂
Why is that wrong?
The hamburgers and co I interpreted as vegan substitutes.
Of course there are vegan burgers and hot dogs.
There are even restaurants that make exclusively vegan burgers.
They’re fucking delicious. Better than many meat beers.
And no, I’m not a vegan myself. I eat meat.
Your comment is immature and childish.
Get up!
I just think, “But there has been an effort and time to explore all the smileys”
In a croissant is butter.
Burger has cheese and possibly also milk in the bun.
Hot dogs.
BACON!
And yes I know there is one or other “replacement product”.
But what has nothing in common with the not vegan varieties mentioned. So you shouldn’t stand there.
Sure it can. There are no laws in which there is something in there. So working with alternatives is completely okay. If I don’t eat hot dog with vegan sausage, this is still n hotdog
No, it’s not.
And I’m right to give you that there is no rule when an alternative product/stock prohibits that the “whatever” can be titled as “YX”. It should.
Like the “real German bees honey, for example.” It can only be called if it was not heated, for example…
For a cheese contains milk, for example, and that should be clear. If we are now “starting” that there are also alternatives as milk/cheese, or otherwise called (may) although there is nothing more from the “original” in it, where is transparency?!
What makes you think there are no vegan burgers, hot dogs or croissants?
There are many foods where the name has nothing or little to do with the content.
In tea sausage there is no tea in liver cheese, neither cheese nor liver, nor children in children’s bars.
Then why should a vegan cheese not be called vegan cheese?
There is the ingredients list on the back.
And who does it hurt if he doesn’t have milk in his cheese? Allergens must be marked clearly, absolutely. But because a vegan cheese means no one dies. And the thick VEGAN label on the cheese should be transparency enough
You’re throwing a lot of stuff together and you’re going to the thing with too much fanaticism. You should gather and look at yourself in a bit less and less emotional.
Nothing. With the vegan stuff, things with Z.B. milk are in
There are vegan alternatives for milk?
There are also vegan alternatives for meat that are not listed… in the end, the Vegan Schmarrn is nothing for me anyway.
I have never accepted your conspiracy. I don’t accept such a bullshit either.
I’m glad you’re clear and it’s better in the future.
I did the study. To help people in nutritional issues.
Nice I could help
🤦 ♂️ what a smarr, I already added a quote. Well for me the discussion here is spoken because I certainly don’t want to argue with a person who sees the meat as a drug!
I had already said that the meat has a very poor protein quality. Eggs, dairy products, fish, seeds/nuts and vegetables have a much better protein quality.
Meat is a treat and quite unhealthy.
And yes, sausage is now at level 1. So in the same classification as cigarettes.
You’re spreading pretty nonsense here.
You have no expertise, do not know the basics of nutritional teaching and have dealt with the subject in terms of content.
But I think your claims are right.
On what argumentative basis?
Only on which you would like to be right or firmly believe?
You realize that you call something like a Dunning Kruger effect?
So if someone doesn’t have a plan of a subject, but still thinks they’re right. Just because one has a totally distorted perception of oneself and cannot reflect his lack of expertise at all.
So if you’re a nutritionist, you’d better get a training. Meat with alcohol thus making drugs equal testifies only to uncertainty and here a small contribution from the Internet to the point the meat would be unhealthy: meat is an important protein supplier and also contains important vitamins and minerals.
Sorry, but that’s nonsense.
I am a nutritionist and can assure you that meat is not important to our diet. On the contrary, Meat is unhealthy and has a miserable protein value.
meat should be Benefits to be seen. Like alcohol, trans fats or cigarettes.
I’m going to steakhouse myself tonight. Sometimes you can do that. But it is naive and wrong to claim the meat is important for us. It’s not.
What brings a vegan? You can only eat vegetables or chemistry. Meat is IMPORTANT!
I’m not vegan myself. But I can’t see anything wrong with Vegan.
There is also no reason for you to be so anti and fanatic against vegans.
You shouldn’t be instrumentalized by populists.
Even though I don’t care for vegans anyway, it’s the last…!
Yes, they are. Hotdogs, hamburgers, fried bacon, salami pizza etc
The pictories are highly dubios, especially as you see several burgers, cream and cheese.
You can and shouldn’t learn from that.
I have the assumption that you may not have understood the Meme correctly.
Do you like to tell me what statement you took from the Meme?
You already have approx. 50 answers got and almost all have criticized the graphics because it is so misleading. That’s why you don’t have to fight me. Finally.
Immediately inappropriate screaming. What’s going on?
Hey no reason to snap
Your extremism is missing here.
Please follow the community rules.
Try to show some maturity in the future.
What do you think it’s Mumpitz? The picture suggests that the vegan diet is more diverse than the non- vegan. What is, of course, total nonsense.
Not really. Non-vegan food does not mean “that is what all eaters eat” but “that is what vegans do not eat.”
Listen, please, excuse me. It’s early in the morning. 😬
No, the graphic shows the vegan diet is not malnutrition. To dispense with animal products is no loss and does not restrict one in its enjoyment. You don’t have to miss out on as much as ever claimed
Either there’s a deeper meaning behind which I don’t understand or the statement is wrong and pointless.
Bullshit. Non-Vegans eat both quantities, so much more.
And because of donuts – I also see that vegans get lost enjoyment through candy again.
Animal protein prevents this hype on sweetness.
Hey, by chance, I got a degree as Nutritionist.
Protein does not prevent craving attacks.
And lastly, your mistake of thinking that you are supposed to eat fewer proteins when you do not use meat. How’d you get that bullshit?
Who says vegans eat less proteins?
Even vegans can easily cover their protein requirements.
Meat even has a fairly miserable protein value. There are plenty of vegan foods that have a better protein value.
I hope I could help you.
Best regards
do you have any proof?
This is not about the quantities.
Of course, this is about the quantities – quantity does not necessarily mean in grams! It’s about a selection amount.
I don’t think it’s about the presentation. I thought so. But the graphic wants to show us something else, I think.
Yeah, but I wouldn’t suggest this to veganism in particular. My criticism was more about the political education and media landscape in general.