Warum werden die Nutzer vom Sonnenstaatland-Forum oft als brandgefährlich und als linksextreme Demokratiefeinde bezeichnet?

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SeniorSteward
1 year ago

Because extremist spiders and sectarians are always a threat to the stability of a society.

Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago
Reply to  SeniorSteward

What? Do you even know the Sun State Forum?

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Stadewaeldchen

As much as your demand is pressing:

There is a good reason for the assumption that the “helplessest respondent” can no longer answer you.

😉

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  SeniorSteward

extremist spider and sectarian

6 Demands for your “helpless answer”:

  1. What is your claim that users of the Internet portal Solar state (SSL) are “extremist spiders and sectists”?
  2. Knows that the SSL is a satire and enlightenment project about the scene of theReich citizensandSelf-administration is it? [Solar state – Wikipedia]
  3. Do you think “Reichsbürger” and “self-advisor” for No extremist spider and sectist? Do you even like them?
  4. If yes: Is exact the the reason you sign SSL users as “extremist spider and sectist”? [This would then be an evenly grotesque reversal according to the motto: “Whoever thinks empire citizen and self-administrator are extremist spiders and sectarians is in truth himself an extremist spider and sectarian.”]
  5. You know that the information collected by users of the Sun State (SSL) isImperial Citizens’ Movementas a source in publications of the German Federal RepublicConstitutional protectionare they called? [Wayback Machine (archive.org and Dirk Wilking: “Reichsbürger”. A manual. Edited by: Brandenburgisches Institut für Communalberatung, 1st edition. Brandenburg 2015, ISBN 978-3-00-048341, p. 29, 93, 126]
  6. Would you please explain why the Constitutional Protection of the Federal Republic of Germany is based on SSL research if its users – as you say – are in truth nu “extremist spider and champagner” and “a danger to the stability of a society” should be? How absurd would that be?
PatrickLassan
1 year ago

No one who is known to me refers to users of the Sun State Forum.

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  PatrickLassan
  • I also do not know anyone who is the user of the Sun State Forum as “At risk of fire” and as “left-extreme democracy enemy” as it is claimed in the question without any serious & verifiable source document.
  • That is why on 7/12/2023 at 7:49 a.m., I asked the Incognito-Frasteller, but it has not answered it so far.
  • As long as my demand is not answered, it becomes visible only when clicking on the blue button “4 Demands” at the bottom right in the description box of the question.
hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  hardliner2019

I also do not know anyone who is the user of the Sun State Forum as“At risk of fire”and as“left-extreme democracy enemy”as it is claimed in the question without any serious & verifiable source document.

That is why on 7/12/2023 at 7:49 a.m., I asked the Incognito-Frasteller, but it has not answered it so far.

As long as my demand is not answered, it becomes visible only when clicking on the blue button “4 Demands” at the bottom right in the description box of the question.

Thanks to the @Moderation for the release of my comment, which has been reported for unknown reasons.

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Edberg

yours Backround

Request to:

  • What exactly do you mean? “Backround”?
  • You mean “background”?
  • If so: What do you mean “background” in the context of the community expert response?
hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Edberg

on yours Backround

Request to:

  • Who exactly do you mean “euren”?
hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Edberg

This may possibly be also on your backround?

  1. Are you speculating again? Don’t you do this in your question that is rooted in an unresolved factual affirmation?
  2. Have you read the 5 (five) requests that several community readers have addressed you as an incognito framer? [-> Blue button “5 requests” below right in the description field of the question!]
  3. Why have you completely ignored all these requests that have been made to you some days ago?
DjangoS6
1 year ago

Just because of a nickname that can also be interpreted zigfold, as well as the factual commenting of posts you cannot derive what you say. You don’t know why the user has given this nickname and factual comment can have 1000 reasons.

If you look at the false claims you are making here through a forum where true anti-democracy is opposed, then clean clarification is correct. Or do you see that differently?

Why do you have a problem with people informing people like e.g. Explaining rich people? Reich citizens are often armed and have little inhibitions while they literally want to introduce a monarchy in Germany? If so, why? Would you, please? So I personally find it good if people like rich people are offered Paroli.

Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago

I believe that if you do not answer any requests, you cannot complain if you do not answer any requests. The question of gaining knowledge is probably more than obvious.

hardliner2019
1 year ago

I thought you are friends. Am I wrong?

You don’t answer my demand by asking

  1. the “eure” (meaning of my demand in the reference comment) is replaced by the “her” personnel pronoun;
  2. with a counter-demand response.

My unanswered demand is: “What exactly do you mean by ‘euren’?”

In addition, I asked you in the reference comment:

  • Have you read the 5 (five) requests that several community readers have addressed you as an incognito framer? [-> Blue button “5 requests” below right in the description field of the question!]
  • Why have you completely ignored all these requests that have been made to you some days ago?

You haven’t answered these requests yet.

DjangoS6
1 year ago

So I haven’t heard anything yet.

Perhaps you are inadvertently in contact with right-wing extremists and anti-democracy enemies who want to distract from their attitudes?

I have just looked briefly into this forum you mentioned and found that none of the attributes you mentioned is correct, on the contrary, democracy is lived there and extremism is not held there, for example, the dear people sit there with the deppical assertions of democracies such as e.g. Outside the right, such as rich citizens, but also extremist vaccinators, chemtrail believers and many more.

Apparently, it doesn’t taste such extremists mentioned and really funny that they are mentioned in this forum by the dear people.

I think that every democrat is happy about what you can see in this forum. 😊

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  DjangoS6

So I haven’t heard anything yet.

I just looked into this forum you mentioned and found that none of the attributes you mentioned is true.

On the contrary, democracy is being lived there – and extremism does not hold anything there, for example, the dear people sit there with the deppical assertions of anti-democratics such as e.g. Outside the right, such as rich citizens, but also extremist vaccinators, chemtrail believers and many more.

Right.

  • Also in “Wikipedia” there is no indication of what the Incognito framer claims in his question either in the entry itself or in the associated footnotes (source documents).

Solar state – Wikipedia

  • If the questioner can prove the facts he presents to the community reading in his question, then I would recommend to him to prove his expertise by supplementing the “Wikipedia” entry accordingly.
  • The previous version history of the entry gives no indication of what the questioner claims in his question:

“Sonnenstaatland” – Version History – Wikipedia

  • It is clear that so far the questioner has the affirmation of facts in his question. not :
  • That is why I asked the questioner a request. However, he has not answered this demand so far. As long as the questioner does not answer my request, it will only become visible when clicking on the blue button “Requests” below right in the description field of the question.
  • Here is the day, time and text of my previously unanswered demand to the questioner:

[Citadel start:]

07.12.2023, 19:49:20am

  1. When
  2. where and
  3. from whom

became SSL users as

threatening to fire and as a far-leftist democracy enemy

?

Please prove reputable and verifiable for the participating community!

  • [Citat end]

Right-wing extremists and anti-democracy who want to distract from their attitudes?

In fact, it is so – and this is evidenced by sources also the Wikipedia entry [Solar state – Wikipedia] – that the sun state (SSL) issatire– and education project on the scene of theReich citizensandSelf-administration and, therefore, in “bad circles” of right-wing extremists and anti-democracy enemies, hatred.

This hatred of “bad circles” grows due to the fact that the users of the sun state (SSL) information aboutImperial Citizens’ Movementnot only researches and collects, but substantiates so well that since 2015 it has been a source in publications of the German Federal RepublicConstitutional protectionare called.

See this:

  1. Dirk Wilking: “Reichsbürger”. A manual. Edited by: Brandenburg Institute for Community Counselling, Brandenburg 2015, ISBN 978-3-00-048341-7, pp. 29, 93, 126
  2. Wayback Machine (archive.org)

Apparently, it doesn’t taste such extremists mentioned there and really funny that they are mentioned in this forum.

  • I share your impression completely – and against the background of what I just wrote, this seems “not tasting” absolutely conclusive;-)

high & thank you, , for your detailed, factual contribution!

DjangoS6
1 year ago
Reply to  hardliner2019

Good morning hardliner2019! 😊

If I look at what you’re doing here, these statements cover my experiences when I looked into the forum – democracy is being lived there and there are some protests to democracy. What the questioner describes does not cover with what is reality. If the questioner had also looked into this forum, he would see very quickly what are rich citizens and what they can do, so also how important it is that people are enlightened about rich citizens. A look at this forum should be suggested to the questioner. 😊

“Thumen hoch & Dank, DjangoS6, for your detailed, factual contribution!”

I can only return the same to you in full! 😊

Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago

To date, I have not noticed the user of the Sun State Forum “often” being referred to as a threatening or far-leftist democracy enemy. The forum and the page deal with the so-called Reich citizens and similar contemporaries.

Since there is a clear overlap with right-wing and far-right positions in some “Reichsbürger” groups, the forum also deals with right-wing encircles. But that doesn’t mean that the members are left-radical.

Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Edberg

What role should this play? You can talk about my statement in terms of content, no matter what political attitude I have. Perhaps you can do as you are on your thesis, the users of the sun state would often be referred to as a threat to fire (for whom exactly?) and as a far-leftist democracy enemy.

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  Stadewaeldchen

The [SSL-]Forum and the page deal with so-called Reich citizens and similar contemporaries.

That’s what it is.

And not just that. In addition:

The information collected by users of the Sun State (SSL) onImperial Citizens’ Movementare so well documented that they as a source in publications of the German Federal RepublicConstitutional protectionare called.

See this:

  1. Dirk Wilking: “Reichsbürger”. A manual. Edited by: Brandenburg Institute for Community Counselling, Brandenburg 2015, ISBN 978-3-00-048341-7, pp. 29, 93, 126
  2. Wayback Machine (archive.org)

Thanks & thumb high for your factual answer, which from my point of view stands out from the “helpless answer” that the Incognito framer has already chosen.

Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago
Reply to  hardliner2019

This has been awarded as the most helpful answer, and the questioning about my poltitical arrangement gives me the suspicion that the questioner is not a factual answer, but only a confirmation of his false premise. The question of my political arrangement is, in my opinion, only for the formation of an ad-homine, which I do not consider appropriate in the case of a positive or negative interpretation.

hardliner2019
1 year ago

Again, where would you politically arrange yourself in the left-right scheme?

Why are you repeating your demand to the respondent?

Fact is:

  1. has already explained to you that & why he will not answer your equatorial first demand;
  2. at the same time asked for explanation “as you are referring to your thesis, the users of the sun state would often be referred to as a threat to fire (for whom exactly?) and as a far-leftist democracy enemy.”

You haven’t given the polite explanation so far.

Similarly, you have not answered this demand [blue button “Requests” below right in the description field of your question].

Why not?

  • Apparently, the participating community, to whom I belong, is interested in reputable, verifiable evidence for the assertion in your question.
  • The community’s interest in your documents that have not yet been delivered is documented by several responders and commentators.
  • Also the latest answer you received on your question shows the interest evidence for your claim:
Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago

Speaking of “no answer is also an answer”: There are a number of requests for your question and your comments. So far all unanswered by you.

hardliner2019
1 year ago

Thank you for your feedback!

I share your suspicion.

The community, now or later, will gain its own impression on the approach of the Incognito framer and thereby Answers to the following questions find:

  • Is it normal that the incognito framer bases its question on a discrediting claim, but has not yet demonstrated this claim despite demand?
  • This behaviour of the incognito framer corresponds to the principles of debate culture [Discuss correctly – this is it! (t3n.de)]? The main principle of debate culture is known:

[Citadel start:]

1. Establish your position

Sure, your opinion is important. But nothing has been won by the mere clash of views. To get in touch with each other, it is crucial why you represent this opinion. So consider your perspective and invite your counterpart to do the same. The discussion does not continue to raise any expressions of opinion and incitements, but rather leads to a remembrance of the camp and the fronts harden. The most important question in a discussion is: “Why do you think that?”

[Citat end]

  • Indicates the behaviour of the Incognito framer to ignore demand and instead to ask answers for their personal political location, the adoption of a suggestive question?

Suggestive question – Wikipedia

A question of suspicion is a question form in which the questioner is influenced by the way in which the question is asked to give an answer with a predetermined statement content which the questioner expects.

The [suggestive] question has the purpose of acting on the thinking (…) of a person and keeping the respondents from a rationally defined answer.

  • Does the strikingly short “helplessest answer” that the Incognito-Frasteller has chosen strengthen the acceptance of a suggestive question and its intention to hold the participating community from a rational answer?
Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago

I gave you an answer and it’s “It doesn’t matter.” I would like to renew the offer of the content debate with my statement. Is that too cumbersome or what is phase?

Stadewaeldchen
1 year ago

Doesn’t matter.

DerRoll
1 year ago

Why are the users of the Sun State Forum often referred to as a threat to fire and as a far-leftist democracy enemy?

It’s called

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsche_Pr%C3%A4misse

As is known,

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_fso_quodlibet

So is a correct answer to your question

“Because one should not abuse the incognito-possibility of good question.”

hardliner2019
1 year ago
Reply to  DerRoll
  • I have addressed a demand for the Incognito frame.
  • As long as this demand is not answered, it will only be visible when clicking on the blue button “1 Demand” at the bottom right in the description box of the question.
  • Here the wording of the previously unanswered demand:

*******************

07.12.23, 19:49:20

  1. When
  2. where and
  3. from whom

became SSL users as

threatening to fire and as a far-leftist democracy enemy

?

Please prove reputable and verifiable for the participating community!

**************