Thought experiment: Is it possible to escape from the GDR over the wall with the help of snipers?
Would the following scenario have been possible?
Position 3-4 snipers on tall buildings on the western side of the wall; these snipers will "take out" all communist border guards (e.g., on watchtowers) within a radius of several hundred meters. People from the east can then climb over the wall without being shot at.
Where is the error in thinking?
PS: I think this is a possible escape attempt that could have been successful! If you disagree, please feel free to offer constructive criticism of this thought experiment in a friendly manner! Stupid, insulting answers will not be noticed or reported; you're just wasting your time!
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Such an action should have a very bad relationship between success and effort and danger potential.
The best and most successful escape attempts were always those which were carried out as unobtrusively as possible.
A violent border breakthrough would have always had a very small time window, because in minutes reinforcement would have been brought up. All in all, it is likely that only a very small number of people would have been able to get close to the border and, during this action, it would have been possible to get anything but safe.
As I said…: high effort in advance, long preparation phase with many involved and thus the danger of flying in advance, with rather difficult prospects for success and high risk for refugees and supporters.
This scenario would probably have triggered World War 3. Also at the beginning of his two predecessors there were shots, at the first in Sarajevo, at the second the fake raid on the Reichsender Gleiwitz and the shooting of the Westerplatte.
Moin,
So that sounds like an ambitious plan that could have been planned, or something similar.
In my opinion, the following points are opposed:
– Guard dogs: Disordered dogs were used, which were kept extra hungry so they are extra aggressive. You should shoot them.
– Mienenfelder
– the height of the wall itself: ladders would be needed
– other fences and barbed wire
Such an undertaking would be most simple at a border post, since in principle only the barriers and the guard personnel are in the way.
But the biggest point would be that it would have caused a third world war with the highest probability. The political tensions between East and West were omnipresent (Kalter Krieg) and were already several times before escalating (Cuba Crisis). If the GDR/Sowjet investigators had found out that there were essential soldiers or agents who, on the one hand, fired from the West to the East and on the other hand on GDR border soldiers and killed them, the case would be overcooked with 100% probability.
This to my assessment.
VG
Your "mind game" overlooks several factors:
1. The Western snipers commit murder.
Two. The death strip at the border consisted not only of soldiers, but began with the hinterland border.
3. This also included tread traps and self-suffering systems – there is nothing to use
4. Such action would have caused a massive diplomatic conflict.
The mistake of thinking is that killing foreign soldiers from another state is a declaration of war. You can march in just as well and get people out.
What permission does the firefighters murder the guards?
In addition, the “death strip” was secured with a little more than just with people.
We do not necessarily have to have border soldiers. murder “It’s enough to force them to take their nose down and take them the opportunity to shoot them on refugee.
In the military field is called the “compression fire”.
And what does the FS mean when he talks about “finished”?
Isn’t there a war action?
The average relay, which does not know with the subject, is basically ” shoot “. In certain circumstances, there are other possibilities to achieve a certain goal with the use of firearms, it should simply not have come to mind.
And forcing a border soldier with shots to cover is certainly not a war action when a civilian shoots. Certainly a crime, but a war action is different.
Where is he supposed to know snipers from the West? How should they know when to flee? Where are they supposed to have weapons? Why should they expose you to prosecution? Why should they play with their lives? And also, how should he come across the high walls and the minefield?
What is necessary for such skills and equipment is easily found with hunters and sportsmen. It is clearly more difficult to find someone who would participate in this and willing to bear the consequences. Shooting on target discs or wild boars is a clearly different house number than intentionally in the direction of people.
How would you have been communicating?
It would have been more difficult in the circumstances at that time, but it would be possible without further delay. After all, it was possible to travel to the GDR as a federal citizen without great effort. The big problem at that time was actually never to know if there’s not a beacon sitting at the table. And that’s exactly what a lot of much less spectacular escape plans have already destroyed during the planning phase.
The essential part of the action should have been planned and carried out from the West, the part of the GDR citizens would then have been in the right place only as a group at the right time and be able to overcome the barrier systems if we did not have a Stasi-IM.
Who should “get the border soldiers”? French, English, American?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vierm%C3%A4che_%C3%BCber_Berlin
Evtl. Private persons who want to secure their relatives