Rechts vor links auch mit Fußgängern?

Ich komme an eine gleichrangige Kreuzung. Bei der folgenden Frage ist die Antwort “Kannst sie ja nicht überfahren” falsch. Es geht um Recht und nicht darum, ob man es beugt, um Schaden zu vermeiden. Und auch nicht um §1 und Freundlichkeit.

Von rechts kommen auf der Straße in 5 verschiedenen Situationen verschiedene Verkehrsteilnehmer und wollen allesamt weiter nach links, kreuzen also meinen Weg:

  1. Radfahrer unter 8 Jahren
  2. älterer Radfahrer, der sein Rad schiebt
  3. Fußgänger, der einen Bollerwagen zieht
  4. Eine Gruppe Fußgänger, die nebeneinander auf der Straße laufen und sich so besser unterhalten können
  5. ein Fußgänger der Gruppe läuft ganz rechts und benutzt den Fußweg

Gegenüber wem bin ich in der Wartepflicht und gegenüber wem nicht?

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AntonAntonsen
5 months ago

A road is not a walkway.

“street” encompasses the totality of all traffic routes, including both roadway and walking path.

“Wollen to the left” means for me a change of direction to the left.

Anyway, the two answers are correct. Only number 1 is the driver of the vehicle and therefore has access to the roadway. All others are pedestrians and therefore have to wait, whether on the road or on the walkway.

AntonAntonsen
5 months ago
Reply to  WilliamDeWorde

The question of whether you are running a vehicle or not (i.e. pedestrian is) can be asked in several variations. There are, however, verdicts which have already sufficiently resolved some questions.

So also the (downhill) rolling of a vehicle. The vehicle is guided, so you are not a pedestrian. Whether bicycle, e-roller or car.

Here are two links with further information: Link, Link

martinreschke
5 months ago

Pedestrians have priority over bending vehicles at intersections and mouths. Your situation is not meaningful. Otherwise, the road will be looked at and it’s about VorFAHRT. Consider driving traffic. It doesn’t mean you can ignore mistakes from others.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

The cyclist under 8 years. He’s the only driver. He has nothing to do with his age.

All others are pedestrians who also have to walk on the footpath. Since you can’t force anything, the concrete situation can prove that you still have to wait.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago
Reply to  WilliamDeWorde

Those who cut the traffic by turning (no matter whether road, cycle path or walking path) of the other road users have to wait.

And in the example given by you, the child who drives on the road by bicycle simply comes from the right. It’s not up to you to first consider how old the child is and whether it can even drive on the road before you think about the way. It comes from the right, so you have to give the way. Without if and but!

“That was a small child who was not allowed to drive on the road at all.” is about the dumbest thing to say before the transport court. There should be something for such a statement alone.

TamraElara
5 months ago
Reply to  WilliamDeWorde

When pedestrians cross your road, they have to wait. Follow the roadway on its roadway you are, you cross through the bend, your way and have to wait, even if the pedestrians themselves cross the road into which you bend.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Whether it’s a child or not, doesn’t matter. It comes from the right. This is the only criterion that applies here. Even if it were a 5-year-old child, you would have to give the way.

Apart from the fact that children from 8 to 10 use the walkway DÜRFEN (do not have to).

https://www.adfc.de/artikel/legal regulations- bei-kindertransport-und-begleitung
From this: “Children from eight to ten years of age may use the walkway or drive on cycle paths or the roadway. From ten years they have to use cycle or road.”

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

It’s really easy. But many motorists do not understand that they have to wait for the pedestrians when they turn, whose way they cut through the bend.

LastEtain
5 months ago

Only the cyclist under 8 years

Kwalliteht
5 months ago
Reply to  WilliamDeWorde

A pedestrian has no pre-FAHRT.

The passage is also not a right, but a duty to grant.

LastEtain
5 months ago
Reply to  WilliamDeWorde

Yes

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

If you didn’t wear the handbrake and the car’s off, you’re still a driver.

Not quite. The vehicle is driverless. The driver, who forgot the hand brake, is responsible. And of course, the car is in this case a vehicle, because it finally moves without external drive.

Before my megane, I had a scenic that automatically pulled the “hand brake” when I turned off the engine. The Megane hadn’t, that happened to me several times with the forgotten hand brake, fortunately without any damage. Now I’m going around with a Clio where the handling is different. Renault does not get it to set up a uniform handling for his fleet. What annoys me most now: I turn off the engine and the radio goes off. If the windows are still down and my wife opens the door, I have to start the engine again so I can close the windows. Really sick.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Just because one thing is a chain? Or are they the pedals? There were wheels without a chain.

A vehicle is something that transfers the driving force to the road. This is the case with a bicycle. In the case of a roller, not because the driving force is transferred to the road with one leg. A high wheel is therefore a vehicle, but a impeller is not. Rollers, wheels… are therefore a “mobile” and not a vehicle.

The assessment becomes difficult if, for example, someone pushes his defective car to support the slipping motor. It happened to me a year ago when my megane broke down. The engine could be started, it had just enough power to achieve step speed with a lot of feeling on the clutch. It’s just that it went up to the Autofriedhof. So my wife sat at the wheel and I pushed the car. Together, the engine and I managed to climb. Was that a “driving” or a “running”? The police who observed it obviously didn’t care. They got what was going on and just drove behind us with blue light (without siren). We were definitely happy when we finally made it.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Road Transport Order (StVO)
Section 24 Special means of transport
(1) Sliding and gripping tyre wheelchairs, toboggan carriages, strollers, scooters, children’s bikes, inline skates, roller skates and similar non-motorised vehicles are not vehicles within the meaning of the Regulation. The rules for pedestrian traffic shall apply mutatis mutandis to those means of transport.
(2) With ambulance chairs or with wheelchairs other than those referred to in paragraph 1, where pedestrian traffic is permitted, it shall be permitted to operate only at a speed of step.

§ 8 StVO regulates the journey
(1) At crossroads and mouths there is the entrance, who comes from the right. That does not apply,
….
Here, there is NOT what limits the obligation to pre-travel in any way if a child drives inadmissibly on the road. Aside from the fact that 8-year-olds do not have to drive on foot (even if it were often appropriate).

Road Transport Order (StVO)
§ 9 Turning, turning and reversing
(1) Whoever wants to bend must announce this in time and clearly; the direction indicator must be used. If you want to turn right, your vehicle has as far as possible to the right, who wants to turn left, to the middle, to arrange on the roadways as far as possible to the left, in time. If you want to turn left, you can only arrange on longitudinally laid rails if no rail vehicle is disabled. Before placing and again before bending, attention should be paid to the following traffic; Before bending, it is not necessary if there is no danger of subsequent traffic.
(2) If you want to turn left by bike, you do not need to arrange if the road is to be crossed from the right edge of the road behind the intersection or opening. When crossing, the vehicle traffic must be taken into account from both directions. Whoever bends over a cycling tour must follow it in the intersection or opening area.
(3) If you want to turn off, you have to let go of vehicles arriving, rail vehicles, bicycles with auxiliary motor, bicycles and small electric vehicles, even if you drive on or next to the road in the same direction. This also applies to buses and other vehicles that use marked special lanes. On walking is special consideration; if necessary, wait.
(4) If you want to turn to the left, you have to drive vehicles that want to turn right. Vehicles which come opposite one another, which in each case want to bend to the left, must bend ahead of one another, unless the traffic position or the design of the intersection require bending only when the vehicles are moved past one another.
(5) Whoever carries a vehicle must behave during bending into a plot, during turning and backward driving in such a way that there is no danger to other road users; If necessary, you must be admitted.
(6) If a motor vehicle carries an admissible total mass of more than 3.5 tons of inner location, it is necessary to travel at the right-hand turn if a straight wheel traffic is to be expected on or next to the road, or in the immediate area of the turn-in pedestrian traffic crossing the road.

Or in focus: Whoever bends has to wait.

All I’ve already written in this thread is also learned in the driving school.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

The thing with the scooter is clear: it is driven by a foot on the road, so it has no own drive.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Obviously you have an understanding problem here. I’ve been driving my license for a few decades.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

I accept it, but it exceeds my horizon.

I hope you have no driving license (not even for a moped). And when you visit the Fahschule, hopefully you will see that your horizon is widened enough. Everything else would be bad.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Exactly this outboard drive is the criterion that the car does not drive.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Right.

Kwalliteht
5 months ago

Only something with its own drive can FAHREN.