Problems with attachment/lack of trust?
Hey,
As you know, my gelding is a bred sport horse.
When I first got him, he didn't even know the difference between a driving leg and a positioning leg, so he went into correction training first.
That improved very quickly.
Unfortunately, I've had this problem for months now: he just won't let go. He's constantly in flight mode, often jumping to the side. Only after he's been worked on for an hour or so does he start to forcefully let go. In between, it's more of a game of leaning/flight mode, leaning/flight mode. A few steps leaning, then several steps in flight mode, and then it starts all over again.
Yesterday I practiced the following with him: While standing, push him with your inside leg on the outside rein, block with your hands, wait for a reaction, and start walking in contact. Since he immediately lifts up again when I started walking, I stopped again and checked his posture again. This continued until he managed to walk in contact at a walk. But as soon as he heard anything again, he immediately went back into flight mode. So I played the game again.
It's like this every lesson; he just can't let go. I'm not exactly a confident rider, and my seat still needs improvement.
I've already watched several videos by Wolfgang Rust, but I think that my gelding was so overworked in his previous life as a competition horse that he has a hard time trusting himself and me.
He's doing great with my RL. Constant contact without grumbling, no jumping to the side, no sniffing, nothing. She's simply more intelligent than I am and (understandably) has more experience than I do at 45 years old.
It's also really hard for me to sit on him when he's constantly switching from leaning into flight mode and going against my hand.
We also believe that he is now having a hard time coping with the fact that he is allowed to have a say in the matter, because perhaps in the past he was only ridden with a firm hand and his right to have a say was taken away from him.
He wants to do everything right and doesn't mean any harm when he gets scared, but it's very stressful for me.
Do you have any tips on how I can help him trust me more? It's not a problem on the ground, as he already trusts me a lot, but as soon as I sit on his back, I get the feeling he thinks he's on his own. Or do you think it's something completely different?
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I think you’re just not loose and don’t give him any security.
Your trainer is running, so the horse can. You can probably do it, but don’t dare to ride right.
Do you have the chance to ride other horses? Is he still regularly in Beritt?
I think you just have to stay there and, both together and separately, gain more routine.
So let horse continue to prepare (it sounds as if your coach simply rides with calm consequences and don’t ask him what he, probably mainly psychically, can’t bring), and put himself on a deep-repeated horse again. Mental training can also help with my own experience.
I don’t know how your body feeling is, but maybe you can also work on yoga, gymnastics etc.
That’s what sounds like you’re not just in the seat, but you’re also insecure him in the other help. Maybe not a very quiet hand, the legs not at the right time, etc?
Depending on perhaps only riding under supervision, you can always stop with a successful experience. You can’t be inconsistent, but you can’t get into something.
I know it’s difficult, but with a lot of exercise, sweat and spit, you’re sure to get it. Yesterday also had a day where nothing worked. I entangled and unlocked, horse somehow also not so good on it, it was a rather cramp with all the questions and rumblings and the help not accepted. Then, at two times on each hand, have it correctly galloped and snatched loosely on the long rein (because properly recording did not really go) and try again today with lessons. Don’t give up!
Yeah, I want to start with yoga again. In September, I have an expert lesson in the neighboring town.
He’s still in Beritt. My RL regularly has it under the saddle because we both have considered it necessary. From next week, she’ll ride him first, and if he’s loose, I’ll get to it.
Will also take seat length(s).
I have to discuss the possibility of riding another horse with my RL. She’s got some school horses.
That doesn’t sound so bad 🙂 I think that riding is a pretty good idea! Then you can put yourself on a loose horse and get this thought of “must loosen the horse” in which you get cramped yourself.
I won’t. I also trust your advice because I have read enough of you by now, and you of me to know that you are great people. Basically, but also to help me and others.
You see, then go on that easy way, then it’ll be okay. I’m sure you’re doing great. Just don’t listen to such mug noodles as the snow 😅
Yeah, that’s what we did at the beginning when he was new. Because I didn’t get to sit there because of his bad training. She was sitting there before I was allowed to. Only so we managed to make him rideable for me too
What is really jz, can be said badly from afar – but I also think that your RL has the right mix for this horse from looseness and frames (security).
Of course, she probably also has the routine, but an important point in my experience is also the mental distance. This is with an important point why some “problem horses” run directly under the coach as if never had been.
You make a lot of thoughts about you/the horse, of course try to do everything right, always in the head what the horse has done. But this often leads to the fact that the already insecure rider becomes even more uncertain. Immediately interpreting something in everything, is tense, takes reactions of the horse personally… – sensitive horses react right away.
It could also be helpful that horse basically be more horse. And so to treat it. I have often experienced that the nervous, nerve-poor Zappelphilipp per se is a lot more relaxed at once, if he is not constantly complaining, talking, trickling,…
I don’t know. Just as a hint – often simply helps to take back the animal and not to spill over the animal with our kind of human love. This doesn’t allow all horses to start. And this is also often transferred to riding after Principle “Watch me, but don’t wet me.” So I mean riders who, although they put demands on their horse, are not actually able to implement them themselves. Or actually not really want to. Because one would have to grasp and stay on. Actually, I want to choke, but not through the horror corner and not past the grandstand and on the circle he always comes to my race and actually it is too hot today, the sky too blue, the rain too wet… But the subject will always remain one if one does not act clearly and consistently.
Soil work is great, I am also convinced and can bring a lot of trust. But no cure. There’s something you have to ask yourself.
You’re on a good way with your trainer. Give yourself time to try out what your horse and you feel comfortable and come up well. That’s it!
Thank you for your honest words. Yes, the head is such a thing – as with the jumpers in the corner on my question a few days ago. I think I’m too under pressure. Yesterday I said to my RL that I’m probably always insecure because he’s insecure. In many situations I have already managed to turn off my head, but not completely.
Yes, very often. An insecure horse, of course, also insecures some riders. Isn’t the Burner sitting on a horse that frightens, bounces, gloats,…
That’s right, but that’s why I want to help him. That it’s getting better. This is a hundred percent way to avoid this behaviour and, at first, it was much worse, but I would like to help him stay with my concentration and rely on me. Then it becomes more pleasant and easier for both of us.
Spontaneous wrong horse.
All horses have their time. It just doesn’t fit here.
A horse can be stretched like a bow. Only in a rather narrow area is it optimal.
Your RL fits the horse, you lack the accuracy.
Tensions are generated on both sides. Now the suitability of pairing must be tested.
A good rider and a good horse rarely run badly, they do not belong together. See Halla and her way to Winkler.
It is necessary to check exactly who can be adjusted to achieve the goal.
Accordingly:
Riding, riding lessons, compensation.
Thank you. Yes, Beritt is already on the program, riding lessons anyway. What do you mean, compensation?
This is individual for the team,
Can be other usage, riding style,
adaptation training for rider or horse,
what it is, you can only see on site!
Sitting, sitting, sitting and sitting again…
I have a book on the shelf, and the title on the back of the book is enough to remind me: “Smiling seat, breathing legs, whispering reins. ‘
This will be the difference to your riding teacher. It frames the horse reliably with the help, it does not interfere with a faulty seat or unseen hand.
Often it is enough to concentrate completely on a trouble-free seat, and then only needs to resist a little outside, and the horse already tilts.
Maybe you always practice on the standing horse to change his attitude to make you aware of the effect of your seat.
Okay, yeah, I kind of guessed it was mainly my seat. Because, as you say, my RL just sits better. But she is also on her legs all day, regularly prepares various horses. My office job is not helpful for a loose hip. That’s why I want to start yoga again so I can handle it a little more.
What book have you got on the shelf? I think I should be able to read it…
This is the title of this book; where I really find the title so inspiring, because it brings a lot to the point.
Otherwise, there’s probably not much in there, what you don’t know anyway? Good attitude and gentle training as preconditions, proper driving while respecting the footsteps… such things.
According to similar books, there are many and even tips about getting here on GF 😉
Mental training combined with targeting gymnastics will probably take you further. Where it never hurts to roll books that also re-roll the already known one.
My guess: often the rider is tense and “clampy” when he wants to do everything right. I often say to my pupils they should just go “out in the riding hall” – and immediately you notice a clear relaxation both on the horse and on the rider. Why don’t you take the pressure out? If he runs so great with your RL, it is great: let them ride 2-3 times a week and simply take the remaining units “only” to relax and find you alone, then it will be already 😉
Good idea, thanks. My RL also prepares him regularly because we both considered it necessary. And I’ll work on my seat off the saddle. That should help him.
In September we go on an extreme trail. For this I am doing intensive ground work again. And I think that will strengthen our trust and understanding. Perhaps it has an impact on riding 🙂
Sure. Any positive experience is also reflected in your self-confidence, which in turn translates to it.
And yes: a good seat is definitely important to want ABER to be cramped well often leads to the opposite. Of most RL, too little attention is paid to relaxation, but only to “you need to improve this and this and that” etc.
Vll you have a (educated) seat trainer nearby or there is a corresponding course? They often have quite different approaches than the “0815-RL”, I think that could be helpful for you.
No, from Hesse. If the addresses are in Unterfranken (Nürnberg, Aschaffenburg, etc.), you can still suggest them to me 🙂 Nuremberg is still under French, isn’t it?
You’re not from Bavaria, are you? Otherwise I would have 1-2 addresses.
I’d have to find out if there’s one going around in my area, or if there’s any courses. I pack my horse in the hanger and drive to one that can be found one to two hours away. That would also be an idea. But, there I have to try aunt Google or social media.
Thank you for your advice! They will certainly bring me new ideas on how to tackle the subject 🙂
I think you have to deal with your horse more. My riding teacher hasn’t been on it for several weeks. I’m so happy about us right now. I also had problems with some things. Of course, I looked at Rust. But learning from the internet and implementing it is not quite easy. I noticed my horse trusted me. But if a professional rides the animal like you should be clear with it. I mean, I know what my horse wants and I have the impression that we are welding together or a pair. Since it’s interesting to me like another rider with my horse, my stable mate has been ridden once. I was astonished as my horse was jammed and had problems with the short reins. My horse is for me I mean. She has a big problem with other riders. She has to be warmed for a long time. I also try to move the reins a little. And she needs long reins. Then I’ll get them in line. After warming and relaxing I can take the reins slowly. If you ride your horse with a soft hand, you will feel a great positive change in the long term. So that riding is not too boring, I also build a lot so that it does not stupide on the riding ground its rounds. Bars of hats. Just change.
I ride him three to four times a week (depending on how he is in Beritt and what else I do) even if the focus is more on ground work, because of the Extreme Trail in September.
Every day I’m in the stable, do something with him (except on Mondays, he has a break. On Tuesdays too often), and if I only brush it and care for its hooves.
I don’t think I’m too busy with him and we know each other well. I know his macks and he’s mine. Nevertheless, in his past (of which I unfortunately only know that he went tournaments) something has to happen. He must have been ridden three years ago, after all he has already gone five years to the first A-Spring tournaments. Therefore, the assumption is obvious that he was turned over the clock and I cannot yet give him the confidence to release the spirits in his interior. It has become much better than in the beginning. The first quarter he went, even at the Longe, not at all v/a. In the meantime, we are at 70 to 80% of the length and 50 to 60% in the saddle.
A friend of mine rides him sporadic. He’s also running jammy with her. But she hadn’t been sitting on the horse for a long time, and her own one is just getting rid of.
He wants to do everything right, but he can’t do it with me yet.
I bought a raw horse as a newcomer. And I’m super happy. I’ve seen a lot of things. Don’t let so many riders get up. I won’t want my mouse to do that either. I’ve spent so much time and love. I’m not a chimney, but I know my animal. No one can make a remote forecast. You write and the others are out. Then you’ll write it all with your maker. Nobody saw that. Can you, for example, see if someone rides with a fine hand? Not all the preparers do everything right with your horse. I can write a book, what great riders there are. They had ridden tuners and did not clear the bean with the horse of my stepfather. Trakehner jumping horse. Very sensitive animal.
may be reversed.
you don’t have to trust the horse.
perhaps because your horse is not a “seat you up, I do this” type, but rather the questioner is and hopes to answer. Maybe he’s even a little bit buffalo and he’s bored too fast.
intelligent horses are generally somewhat problematic.
I don’t know the horse, but I could imagine.
there is a rider who tries to analyse the original and effect during the ride and forgets the ride.
Practice.
If I were in your situation, I would get the advice of Ariane Telgen. She has been trainer for “problem horses” for more than 20 years and also supports in the work of trust (sorry if it sounds like stark advertising – am thrilled by her – she documents her therapy cases on Youtube). She has been documenting the case “Falco” for some time – a traumatized former sports horse that is extremely panic. You learn a lot about safety/confidence work with a lot of patience and tranquility
so rough your horse sounds similar to Falco – many bad experiences and patterns he has to overcome. something takes a lot of time, geduld and rest instead of “exercise” riding training in which it is directly about attraction and co. he must first learn that he is no longer in the old processes
I know the channel. In the beginning I found him great, but meanwhile I start to doubt a little. Every horse arriving there is first diagnosed with stomach problems. Then there are 2 kilos of oats and bucks of treats (in the case of stomach patients you should be careful). Yes, there are many horses with stomach problems, but all of them? I think that’s very strange. And taking the long way to me or using the online consultation does not come into question for me until I find a solution myself.
naja her trainingsanastz in trust work has nothing to do with her diagnosis on stomach and feeding. You can only report to her about riding training. honestly see no real reason that speaks against online advice or online training.
I’m looking at Telgen too. But there is also a lot of contrast. She cuts a lot. Not everything you see. For example, horse should go. How she did it after Vicky 30min tried it unsuccessfully is a good example. And the knitting is always a No Go.
I see all videos in uncut
Okay.
There are all videos on the channel uncut. Provided you are a channel member
What is uncut?
I’m in the back of my head. If I shouldn’t come forward any more, I might use that:)
The horse and you – you just don’t fit each other. I both do a favor and finish it. He needs someone who knows and gives him safety.
Oh, just because I have problems riding, he and I don’t fit together? I don’t need a horse. Just give up and run away from it is no solution, never, at no time
You say it yourself:
And it’s not about running away – it’s about the PFERD! Now screw your ego down and think about the animal – not just you!
😂😂😂
Say the @Grauling0605. She doesn’t understand that there are such people…
As we know FS here, Is it “between”. Not beginners, or professional, but amateurs with solid basic knowledge and quite capable of learning.
I never said that. And that doesn’t stand anywhere.
I’m sure I’m not the one with the limited thought, with you there’s only horse keeping without any problems or giving horse with every smallest lack
Is your mind really so restricted? Are there really only “beginners” and “profits” with you?
She does yes – by taking rider
Because funfact: a professional has no interest in such a horse
And all no reason to deny that other people would be more appropriate to deal with it – and you even do a favor to the horse to give it in expert hands.
As good as any horse brings any problem with or even develops it – then it may be totally relaxed while riding, but can’t be 100% off tweeting or is afraid of deck bikes or anything else. All no reason not to work on the problem
That’s not the point. It’s because you don’t get an animal with problems if you can’t handle it. There are certainly enough uncomplicated horses that fit much better to the FS and their skills…
Certainly, no master has fallen from heaven, and if only those who are a professional in the saddle, where should they come from? 🤔
So boldly forward. However, I would advise you not to waste a single thought on the horse’s past, which is so heavy, but to have only your goal in mind, or always the next step there.
The horse shows that it can run decently under the professional. So instead of “tooing out” with the past. Work your equestrian skills, give the horse a ride on a regular basis, and also enjoy lessons on a horse that is easier to handle, so that you don’t lose the feeling of how “reasonable” feels.
There’s an animal with a problem.
Now you have the choice between two owners. In both the animal has it well, is well accommodated, is well supplied, is not tormented, has enough company and veterinary care.
The only difference between both owners is that one is able to solve the problem of the animal – and the other cannot.
And now you say that it is much better for the animal to the to go owners who are overwhelmed with the solution of the problem.
That says a lot about your confession…
I answered, you just don’t want to see it. Grayling sees it. Funny?
But if you want to know it exactly, its advantage is that it can now be MITBESTIMMEN. That I have riding lessons with a sensitive and good riding instructor, who is all about getting him out of his trauma. This co-determination is new to him, and perhaps he needs a while to get used to it. And even if it doesn’t work the way I like it, I don’t sit on top of it and fuck it as others would do. We both find our way. That’s his advantage. That he may be a horse, which was not before.
Any questions?
According to my logic, one should generally only be allowed to buy animals if animals and owners fit together. You’re right.
Too bad you see that differently…
And also you press the benefit of the animal before the answer. Probably for the same reasons as the FS…
You are pressing against the answer where the advantage lies for the horse. And you know very well why you don’t answer that…
Hahaha, literally that I said yesterday to my horse when he didn’t want to move forward and stuck in his back, so there was no connection at the front and the head at the top: “samma we ride vertically today or what does that exist?”
And where exactly is the problem of working on that she can do it? It’s still not about it not getting clear with it at all and putting damage to it without end, but that somewhere is a knot that has to place. After your logic, you can only buy button-printing ponies where everything is going super and sell after two bad riding hours in a row
I’m not discussing this with you now. No matter what arguments I’ll make, you’ll find something that speaks against it. My horse is fine. He’s healthy, his hoof problems are getting under control too slowly, after Punkgirl has got us into a Huforthopädin, and I’m trying to improve my riding seat.
My God, he is now a recreational horse, has as much runout and social contacts as in his previous life as a tournament horse. That he was shot over the clock is not my fault. I’m just allowed to straighten the shit out of the other one.
And if it calms you: JEDER in the stable says that it is good that he is no longer in sport – even the Osteo says that – and that he is with me now. Does that sound like someone his horse doesn’t care?
Exactly – and this “something” you are. Because with your RL it works…
Then just say where the advantage lies for the horse. Compared to an owner with experience, the problem not can solve to an owner with experience that can solve the problem…
I said yesterday for fun that he was a perfect candidate for OS because he always goes up with his head. What I’m glad he’s not here. He’s such a great horse and so sweet, he really wants to please and do everything right, but there’s something that prevents him. I know he likes me and he listens to my help and everything, but he doesn’t manage to jump over his own shadow. But if I’m working on my seat now and he’s still in griffin, then that should work at some point (if it’s not too late, anyway he’s already 10).
I’m not an Ingrid Klimke or Dorothee Schneider, but I’m someone who does everything for his horse to be good. And that’s the most important thing to me.
Your misconception doesn’t need
There are also plenty of other people who are competent enough to tackle this problem professionally in the sense of the horse.
So – what is the advantage for the horse?
I’m not talking about giving horse to someone who has no idea.
But to give animals to someone who knows AND is competent enough to solve this problem in the sense of the horse.
So again – where exactly is the advantage for the animal that it is with you?
Unfortunately, you must not ride if the solution has not been put into the cradle, sorry :/ and you must not have fun with your horse either. But others, otherwise you could guess just put the animal on the meadow. So the bock has to work, but don’t stay with you. What to do
It lives with a person who tries to help him with ease, not shying the cost and effort of reasonable training, worrying about his health, etc.
That he learns that we are not concerned with having to be afraid. He has a great life where he’s standing now. Even if there is a serious problem, he trusts me in many other things. And that I find out here what I can do to support him, I don’t know about egoism, otherwise I wouldn’t ask here or? Or is others now suddenly selfish?
Again – what advantage does the horse have? Why don’t you just answer that?
Then I also ask you directly:
What advantage does the horse have in the current situation?
Should be easy to answer…
Relax now. I’m sure the horse doesn’t feel bad about cookies. He doesn’t get angry, stupid or anything else, just can’t let go so well