Pferd zeigt sich antisozial/ extrem wählerisch?
Hi,
mein Großer zeigt sich seit geraumer Zeit extrem antisozial einem anderen Wallach gegenüber. Der andere Wallach ist neu, in etwa im gleichen Alter und rangmittig, mein Pferd ist ranghoch, biestig aber nur gegen Wallache, die seinen Rang in Frage stellen könnten. Der neue Wallach wurde sehr schnell in die Herde integriert, zu einer Zeit, als viele neue Pferde dazu kamen und die Herde dadurch vermutlich etwas instabiler war.
Wir sind auch erst seit November 22 dort, da gab es dann auch Reibereien zwischen ihm und einem anderen Wallach…
Biestig früher war: Ohren anlegen, Hals lang machen, weg schicken. Da war er in einer Herde mit 40 anderen Pferden… Jetzt steht er mit 20 anderen Pferden zusammen und beginnt regelrecht zu jagen (nicht weit, so ca. 10-20m).
So kenne ich ihn nicht, er ist eigentlich eher der Typ “Lasst mir alle meine Ruhe”, damit er alles überblicken und beschützen kann.
Ich will eine harmonische Herde und nicht der Grund dafür sein, dass es Stress gibt. Die Folge wäre vermutlich eh, dass mein Wallach auf Dauer separiert wird, das will ich erst recht nicht, da er bereits Verhaltensauffälligkeiten durch seine schwierige Vergangenheit hat und mit dem Rest der Herde gehts eigentlich ganz gut.
Gestern ist er am Zaun entlang getigert wie so ein Eisbär im Zoo, immer links – rechts hin und her…
Ende April verlassen wir den Stall sowieso und ich überlege, ob ich das bis dahin aushalten kann (für das Pferd), oder ob ich vorzeitig für die kurze Zeit in einen anderen Stall (Paddockboxenhaltung) wechseln soll…
Habe auch Schiss, dass es am neuen Stall so bleibt und wir da raus fliegen, weil er so antisozial reagiert…
Dem Menschen gegenüber ist er aber super lieb, aufmerksam und will alles richtig machen!
Er ist regelmäßig bei der Physio und Osteo, letzter Termin war erst im Januar, unauffällig, Physio ist begeistert von seinem Zustand.
Hufe werden regelmäßig gemacht, Zähne sind gemacht, Blutbild Januar ist auch unauffällig.
Er wird regelmäßig leicht bis mittel gearbeitet (Bodenarbeit, Equikinetic, Spaziergänge, Gymnastizierung im Gelände, leichte Showmanship, etc.)
Haltung: Offenstall mit Winterweide, nachts kleinerer Offenstall mit Unterstand. Platz sollte genug da sein… Herde gemischt (Stuten, Wallache, oftmals 2er Teams in der Herde).
Woran kann das liegen?
Hätten die mehr Zeit bei der Vergesellschaftung gebraucht?
Was kann ich tun?
Sollte ich vorab den Stall verlassen, oder aussitzen um nur einen Stallwechsel zu haben?
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new stall, new luck.
and hopefully a pure wallach group without stubborn directly next door.
Let it go as it is now. Your horse hasn’t really arrived yet.
But “herd” of 20 or even 40 animals are definitely too big. too unstable, too frequent change, too little space, since usually the minimum requirements are adhered to and resting and feeding places are not calculated as prescribed extra.
you can’t say my horse is like that or something or something.
that can look quite different in the next stall and after a few days is rest, it can stay as it is or become very extreme.
and the constant changeover does not do your horse well.
a new horse in a group can surround the whole structure.
horses that are difficult to integrate should be worked together with the same horse as they do not understand each other over a period of a few months in the hall or on the square. during the work individual distances are equalized. in the rule the horses are tolerated after a certain time.
You can’t force a horse to be friends with the whole group.
constellations of “herds” are always extremely unfavourable. for horses do not live in herds, but in small associations and family groups. either the area must be so large for a larger number of horses that the groups can walk away from each other (2 hektar per horse I see as a minimum for the development of natural behavior) or the group should not exceed a maximum of 8 horses. even there, the legally prescribed area per horse should be at least doubled to avoid conflict.
with the current statutory minimum regulations, an appropriate attitude is not possible at any rate.
Those who want to prescribe open-plan posture for all horses saw themselves in their own hands. but it shows how little these professionals, carers and specialists know what they decide. it is in principle the same as at the time when one wanted to make the cage holders more art-friendly and to provide the chickens with more space in the cage – with the result that the chickens had killed each other, anpicked and generally aggressive behavior and had signs of great stress with detectable disease consequences. You can therefore keep the chickens in tight cages (fortunately forbidden) or you have to provide them with enough space that they can move, as they want and can join together to sympathy groups (fatal is when one is running and gets into a wrong group far away from the others – then unfortunately there is dead). in horses, this is similar in principle.
in my eyes, in the case of a limited area, a sensible open or active holding is only possible if everything is your own animals and change only takes place very sporadically.
so please think again about the next move and consider whether the selected stall is really so optimal for your horse and whether you drive ten minutes longer and one hundred more in the month for enough space is not worth the well-being of your horse.
be calmed – your horse and the others behave absolutely art-friendly. but it’s not good for your horse anyway. running back and forth is a serious disorder of behavior and damages the heart circulation system and the psyche of the animal sustainably.
You’re telling me total nix new… Finding a stable here for 2 is unbelievably heavy and a pure Wallachherde there is exactly one and the take nix with a stock size above 1.50m – hurra..
The place is at any rate there, several hectares of coupling are available daily.
My horse suffers from it, because he is not a simple animal anyway and is now even more susceptible to behavior.
Then it must be separated until the change of the stable – is unfortunately the only sensible alternative. Two changes don’t make any sense, especially since you’d have to go on two balls. It’s just a little bit isolated, but it’s clear and in this case it’s necessary.
Very much, at 60 000 euros per hectare, and a 7.5% interest rate yield per horse and hectare only applies to the pasture offer at 900 euros.
If I still calculate stable construction costs, wages, energy and feed costs, the private horse keeping for 70% of the Einstaller would be over.
That’s it.
but no one is forced to keep large groups close to nature.
you can also keep the horses with the lowest conflict potential. this is economic, but requires a lot of knowledge and the potential one-stops are rolling around because it is supposed to be too narrow. a low level of stress, unfortunately, they do not consider as an essential part of the posture.
the prescribed run-out area per horse is only half as large as in Germany in Switzerland with open-stall posture. the horses are still much more chilled, the groups smaller, the social ties better, the reconciliation phases or the combination of new horses with very old and long-lived horses much easier.
a fortified community can also re-enter accesses that are integrated without a large wall. in a large group, on the other hand, everyone has to see where he stays. new entrants are then in the rule either tanned or developed to tyrannen (mostly, not always)
in my eyes, in the case of a limited area, a sensible open or active holding is only possible if everything is your own animals and change only takes place very sporadically.
so it is. That’s why I’m also an opponent of the active tiles, hit tiles and what else there is. That’s stress, otherwise nix.
Some death, unfortunately, must be died for bridging.
I also hated to lock my penultimate year 3 months away in 2 stables. It was terrible, but it didn’t change.
Doesn’t have a secret in the sense, my second horse is locked away by se. A young horse… And only through the separation to the herd he starts to tiger…
Slight, your horse is overwhelmed with the high rank.
The herd is simply not fortified, the new horse (victim) in an unfortunate situation. It serves your horse as a lightning arrester, since the herd is not stable, the regulatory circles do not attack.
Open-stalling in large associations does not work! It only remains active stable with animal management, so that you can optimally use the area, but get the small association.
Look how it will be in the new stable.
It only remains active stable with animal management, so that you use the area optimally
I don’t know an active stable that’s like that, and I know a lot of us in Cologne. It is stuffed and stuffed, because 30 horses bring more than 15 horses and so on. And there are no exception expensive stables (in which I would never put my horse in)
Yes, at last it’s back to condemn your lump-sum activity without ever having been more than visitors there. Thought you had recognized the concept 🙈
The stress is not caused by the activity.
In the open pit with 40 or 80 horses it wouldn’t be better.
PS in the active stable can even lead small groups in the stock of 40 horses.
Stja, my previous horse stood once 6 months in such a ( sinfully expensive) stable. It hated every second there.
The full brother of my mare is in such a stable. You can’t put a hand on your coat without touching a bite.
My former Huforthopedee was in alignment with her four-year-old mare, because the horse could not withstand the DAuerstress.
My rhythm Matrix therapist told me about the 24/7 stress under which the horses must live in a very well-known, expensive active stable in Cologne.
No experience? Rather realism instead of dreaming. Oh. the KOnzept is SCHEIßE. Too many horses on too tight RAum. Even if the outlet in winter was 1000 times 1000 m tall, the stable in winter is always too small.
The solution could be a pure Wallachherde.
I know this behavior when one of the Wallache claims a part of the mares as “his”.
Since a change in the stables is in place, I would still sit out – in doubt, it must be separated if that is an idea.
Pure Wallachherde I feel as a wrong decision, as he only goes to a wallach that was probably the “victim” on other stables.
He has his mares, but he does not stick to them. There’s two he’ll find okay, the other two mares he won’t find so great. The remaining mares interest him zero.
I don’t really want to separate because it’s really manic at the fence and doesn’t understand the world anymore.
a pure wallachherde means much less stress.
if you know how natural constellations are composed, you also know why he does not “stick” the stubborn. the two stubborn always stay so far in his dunstkreis that he knows them safely and when they get away from them, they are retrieved so subtlely that a normal observer does not even come along. a slight rotation of the neck while eating and a passing over the front shows the stubborn enough and she turns closer. more than two stubborn ties a stall in nature only rarely. he would have a lot to do with young and young people in order to keep everyone together.
please never forget – in principle horses are still wild animals and they behave like wild animals.
Vll. is also what with the other Wallach – depending on how the owners are on it, it also makes sense to separate the first time you are gone. Besides the herd, so he has contact with the others.
Sometimes a nix is different than to separate – just when you know you’re going.
I don’t see anything bad on a wallach herd;) Is more calm than mixed herds.
and the other of the perpetrators.
The other Wallach doesn’t even have to be interested in the mares – but he’s just there, he’s new, in the same “territory” and thus a competitor. So attacked my other wallache, they had shown absolutely no interest in the mares.
of course, the other wallach does not arrange. have you ever seen a stubborn one slapping an unwanted wallach? this is much worse than if a wallach has an impressive wallach.
how far the stubborn may be removed, you have to ask your horse and how far they want to remove, that is like in people – if the male is too clumped, that is sooner or later on and away. and vice versa.
Do you think I don’t know? I haven’t had the animals since yesterday… But he often stands far from “his” mares and the other Valch does not make any institutions to go to these two mares.
Find a Wallachherde with us, really funny, this search – not.
I know this with the poor victim… Mine was also separated by such a behavior, even though the mare had crowded him and had actually heard him separate. But do nix – not your stable, not your rules.
Wallachherde is not so rare;) Especially if you have 2 wallaches anyway – worse would be Stute and Wallach 😛
Separating the others could make sense, so that he can recover for a time – you can also suggest in a few weeks.
Feed your monk’s cup until the change of the stable – then you can at least blame yourself for not doing anything. Can help, but don’t have to. Doesn’t hurt in doubt either.
Yeah, find something like that…
Just when you have two horses, hurra…
The other Wallach is not speared, he is the poor victim.
Are you sure there’s really enough room? In our stables are 10 wallaches and 2 mares and in the winter stable which is also very large but still smaller than the one in which they stand in the summer it is also more often to rub.
You have to have the place for 20 horses…
Yeah, I’m sure there’s plenty of space for several hectares of coupling…
How many hectares exactly? Several hectares is not exact indication and only because there are a few hectares it is not big enough. 20 horses need extremely much space
has the coupling 40 hektar? then it would be almost enough space.
I’m gonna count tonight…
In winter they have the same couplings as in summer, whole year…
Probably in summer. But how is it in winter? There are certainly no stables that can offer their horses such a runout in winter. And there aren’t such huge open spaces.
Also at the risk of being “bellied” by some, I advise you on the following options:
Both no humbug – you don’t have to “believe” to help…
I wish you and your horse all the best – understanding them is true art…;)
I don’t want to relieve symptoms, but to fix the cause, and I can’t start anything with animal communication, because if I’m not there, he’s doing his horse thing anyway, no matter what I’ve communicated before.
My advice has absolutely nix to do with “symptom relief” – but with raising the cause…
But I respect your rejection.