Buying a horse from poor conditions, how to convince the owner to sell?
Hello,
I don't even know where to begin. Almost 10 years ago, while out with a friend, I saw a black horse standing in a pasture. We were both crazy about horses and spent our entire summer vacation there…
The horse, as it turned out, was a 3-4 year-old Arabian-Pinto stallion. He was in terrible condition. The halter was much too small and partially overgrown, his hooves were so long they were already curling upwards, and his mane was a single, matted lump. He was also standing all alone and completely isolated, with no contact with other horses and no protection from the wind or weather.
The owner apparently wanted to breed with him at the time, so he left him as a stallion. At 4.5, he was put down, but his stallion manners didn't improve at all.
He had no respect for humans. He would rear, bite, and kick. Or he would simply run you over. He wouldn't let himself be ridden or even handled by his owner.
Unfortunately, we lost touch. It wasn't until three years later that I met the horse again by chance, and I immediately felt a renewed fascination. He was no longer alone in the pasture, but his behavior was still terribly disturbed.
From that point on, with the owner's permission, I spent hours every day with him in his pasture for several years. He learned the basics of liberty riding and the basics of halter training. He built trust in me. It got to the point where I could eventually even ride him without a saddle or bridle. I ultimately trusted this horse blindly and never regretted it.
At the time, I was the only one who could handle him like that. Unfortunately, I had to move over 300km away for work reasons, and financially and time-wise, owning a horse would have been unthinkable.
That was almost three years ago. I absolutely cannot forget this horse and would like to purchase him now that I have the necessary resources.
However, according to my father, the horse is now rideable (he saw the owner riding last summer), and if the owner rides him, he certainly won't give him away. So, the horse seems to have become calmer with age.
However, the owner is neither a good rider nor does the horse even remotely suit him. The owner has neither the time nor much interest. The owner is also far too heavy for the delicate gelding…
The big problem is that the owner is a terribly arrogant person who sees the noble gelding as a prestige object and would certainly not be willing to give him away.
Do you have any ideas on how I could approach a potential sale? Or how I could convince the owner to sell?
Thank you in advance for your answers….
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Hm, this is an unfavourable starting position for you. You will not find the monetary arguments that can influence an arrogant person… Reason or even animal love doesn’t seem to be the thing of the current owner as you describe it. Therefore, you will probably be able to purchase the animal at a corresponding price – but probably far above value.
In addition, as has already been written here, costs for training/learning, equipment, etc. due to the modest attitude, one can also assume that any veterinarian costs are incurred for resulting damage. Already alone a presumably urgently necessary dental treatment over 2 years in the semi-annual rhythm, in order to bring a certain “basic order” into it, beats with a good €800-1000. Aside from any construction sites on the musculoskeletal system…
Other topic: Who takes this horse into his stable? I work with the animal welfare myself and have 2 care centres for horses from bad posture. Even if competent people find themselves, to whom I trust the horse, it is often a spearhead race to find a place for these animals. Horses that disassemble their box, Wallache who behave or jump up steadfastly, arrange other horses, cannot be attached, cannot be guided, have no sensible social behavior, or even act against the human being, are not necessarily wishing candidates for Stallbesi.
I’ve already found a stable besi that would stall him… wasn’t easy, but after some search I found a very nice little stable that is very quiet… I’ll try it with the PB times with the argument money and ” pending costs”…
you don’t have to come with the upcoming costs.
Having found a stall is not a guarantee. if the social behavior of the horse is not true, it also comes to a rush.
pure money question.
you have to offer him enough to buy a younger and better horse.
let’s say 35,000 euros.
then he will put the horse a purple loop around the neck and also organize the transport to you – some vieh trailer can be safely driven up by a builder around the corner.
then you plan a 15,000 euro on veterinarian costs because of the pre-damages in the breeding) and your 50,000 euro are well created.
at least half a year full for a decent basic training that makes the horse rideable without it hurt – including setting you are here again at a total of 9,000 euros – and the appropriate equipment suggests to book with 3,000-5,000 euros (sattel, zaumzeug, kaappzaum, longier equipment, scrape, hoist etc.)
as I said – all a pure question of money.
a large stack of orange bills convinces most people.
good luck, wendy.
More purple banknotes
I have already done the cost job myself, thank you very much but I can count on myself… and you can save your sarcastic “a lot of luck wendy”;)
Pffft…
it is a question of empathy. bid him 35,000 and give him the result.
my fruher riding instructor has been offered on a tournament for his quite seriously injured horse 50,000. he kept it.
a lot of luck.
You can save your sloppy comments in the future.
That sounds like east wind, sorry. Especially this “without riding everything”.
And you can judge that so well because…?
So there are two people riding on the horse, the owner and the owner?
With such people, it’s really very simple. You bid enough money and he’ll sell.
I have never seen east wind, so I can’t say anything about it ^^’
And that was riding without everything because the horse had no accessories and I therefore rode him on his pasture…
Excuse me Owners and Owners are the same person… I have contradictoryly formulated…
I can judge that with riding because I have already seen the owner ride… (not on the Wallach) and even have travel experience for many years(have taken more than 10 years lessons and even horses ridden and trained themselves….
The problem with the price is merely that the owner is a landlord and has money to suck… he absolutely does not need the proceeds from the sale….
It’s not just riding, it’s wearing, and it’s lucky that the pal will have it. From such actions, the experience of working with such a horse does not speak.
Well, either he sells it to you or not. What are we gonna do?
No problem… I’m just too well aware that sitting on it and not flying down is not a ride yet….
I’ve known the owner for a long time, come from the same small village, and you know how that is…
He is very successful landlord and breeds premised cattle. He bought the horse from his own cousin, who had a horse breeding. The horse he wanted to have because it is now a handsome rapper with great body construction. His cousin himself thinks that the owner can’t ride and just let himself be persuaded for sale because it was family.
All the people in the village thought he was supposed to sell the poor animal, but the owner refused.
In addition, he does not fit the horse at all physically. The animal weighs around the 500kg at a stick size of not even 1.60 and hardly muscles and the man weighs 90kg.
I am willing to pay a certain amount (you have to stay realistic with the animal and the level of training), but the owner has absolutely no need for the money at which luxury he lives… he has the horse just to say this is my horse…
That’s why it’s so difficult for me to find an argument base…
And I really bleed the heart… The Wallach has a beautiful body construction (of course no well-trained muscles but the base is available) and stunning corridors… Again he is very doctrine and wants to please you at any price if you have your dream… All in all just a mega potential…
Aaah, it didn’t sound like that on your question.
Then I apologize. Unfortunately, there are many people who think that if you sit on a horse without anything and are not jacked off, the boundless trust, heart horse, all bad experiences, etc. These people certainly don’t know that “reading” is more than “leaving”.
And since these people here unfortunately outweigh, I am very quickly very sharp in my statements. Just been reading too long in this forum and too much shit. So as I said – sorry!
I would possibly prescribe to the owner what the horse costs him. Especially when a little older is now, it becomes “irgendwann fragile, ill, can no longer be sold” etc. That he can buy himself a viiieeel great horse with his money or something.
Maybe he has some point where you can grab him, where an argument really meets him.
I’d go on the Internet to research everything I find about him. Then there is usually a certain character image (which is not influenced by the stories of other or your previous experiences). Because of this picture, I would then consider how to argue what is important to him. Time, money, reputation…?
I don’t understand why you seem so hostile. To call me an East Wind Wonabe and then to claim it would not be a ride, but be carrying and happiness.
The difference to wear consists of targeted help, and for that, no reins and white god need no saddle.
I enjoyed training after Philippe Karl’s riding style and went to M-Dressur, so please don’t be so presumptuous about my experience.
And you’re not supposed to do anything. I was hoping for some tips, that was all.
Just ask. If he doesn’t want to sell, he won’t. You can’t do it. Except to offer such a high price that he sells it.
If the horse is still kept and treated so badly, register with Veterinary Office. They can intervene.
The Veterinary Office reported the violations from several places at the time…. He got some conditions he met in the short term… so now a shetty stands with him on the pasture, which is also in terrifying condition… but I can only say how that was 3 years ago, as I have never lived there since that….
What arguments could I make for a sale?
Hmmm… tell him honestly that you’ve been in the horse a long time ago and it means a lot to you and you’re so good with him? That he could buy a better horse? Then another one has to suffer. Also not beautiful…) That the horse is now at the middle of age and that even higher veterinarian bills could come to him if it is older?
How do you know he really doesn’t want to sell? You write, he doesn’t have much interest and little time. Maybe he’d be happy to be rid of the horse. You could also suggest looking for a riding share. Then he would have less cost and responsibility.
I’m sorry, I don’t think so much. I don’t know the guy either.
Thank you!
He was already mentioned in the past by many people that he should sell the poor animal, as he is too hard for him, but has always refused… That’s why I’m so desperate and I don’t know how exactly I’m supposed to do this, and even if he doesn’t do anything with the horse and it’s just standing around, the costs don’t even hurt him….
Is there an update?
Sry, but I can’t believe you’re really so great with him. I’m curious how he is when he comes under other horses, and when he smells the first time stubborn. We also have a hungry wallach, who did not leave his stallions auxh after the castration. Of course, with increasing age and education, this is something, but with every rusty mare he turns up.
What is his current state of care and how did he get rid of? I doubt that he was professionally recruited. You mean you have to put a lot of money in there first. With Beritt you are here at about 1000€ monthly and you have to pay the costs for at least 3 months.
Then I would make a big AKU with a horse like that if I bought it.
And if you can keep the horse together with others, the question is.
I already wrote that he is no longer alone. He’s with a Shetty rod now. It’ll work out. In a real stable he has never been in his life and that will be a challenge, that is absolutely clear.
The transport alone will be a challenge… he doesn’t know a hanger or the like and has never been loaded in his life…
He has never been professionally recruited, and I also know that with the cost of riding. And a big AKU is a prerequisite, otherwise I don’t buy a horse and especially not one. No one can be so naive.
Believe me, I’ve been thinking about nix other things for weeks;) Such a decision naive and overthrowing to make harm both the horse and me!
“No one can be so naive.” you don’t know what to ask for.