Pauschalreise Einreise verweigert? Entschädigung?

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ich hatte am Samstag dem 25.06 eigentlich eine Reise geplant. Gebucht war eine 6 Tägige Reise nach Antalya.

Schön und gut…

Wir sind somit zu zweit in die Türkei geflogen mit den ensprechenden unterlagen dort angekommen ging alles den Bach unter.

An der Passkontrolle wuede uns die Einreise verweigert. Meine begleitung hatte einen pass der noch 2 Monate oder so gültig, war er sollte aber laut der Polizei 5 Monate gültig sein.

Im auswärtigen Amt hieß es man könnte mit sogar mit einem abgelaufenen Pass einreisen…

Wie gesagt wurde uns die einreise verweigert (auch mir) obwohl mein pass noch 2 jahre gültig ist somit hätte ich die Reise auch allein antreten können…

Wir wurden dann in eine Zelle gesteckt und dort festgehalten worauf hin wir mit 2 verschiedenen fliegern zurück nach deutschland gebracht wurden. Essen und trinken wurde mir keins gewährt sondern nur der Begleitung.

Während wir in der Zelle saßen habe ich das konsulat, den reiseveranstalter und die Reiseleitung die uns eigentlich am flughafen empfangem sollte angerufen.

Konsulat konnte nichts machen….

Bei check24 habe ich die situation geschildert und es hieß ich solle erstmal nachhause kommen und mich ausruhen.

Der reiseleitung teilte ich mir dass wir die reise nicht antreten können weil uns die einreide verweigert wurde.

Meine frage ist: Haben wir anspeuch auf Erstattung des preises? Natürlich nicht den kompletten sondern einen Teil.

Wir haben ja nur einen hinflug in ansprich genommen das hotel und den rückflug haben wir nie gesehen… da wir auf eigene kosten zurückfliegen mussten.

Weil ich hätte ja die Reise antreten können dennoch durfte ich nicht in die Türkei.

Die reise war ziemlich teuer und es wäre schade wenn das geld jetzt weg wäre.

Haben wir rechtlich gesehen anspruch auf eine Teil erstattung?

Das Reisebüro war ITS Reisen. Gebucht wurde pber check24

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DerCaveman
2 years ago

No claim against the tour operator (except for taxes and fees which are saved due to the non-return flight) . For the completeness and correctness of the documents required for entry, the traveller is always responsible.

What state authority does your accompaniment possess? The fact that a passport may have expired for up to one year applies only to a few sovereign powers.

If the Tunisian authorities have dismissed you unjustly, you can try to sue them for damages. But it’s probably a lot of hopeless.

Still
2 years ago

The small print determines that you are responsible for the correct passports and entry. The statement from the AA that you can travel without a valid passport is unimaginable for me. Do you have a link to it or was that a (reliable) statement on the phone?

kanimambo
2 years ago
Reply to  Hellboy03

arrests and refusals to enter

There are also cases in which German nationals are arbitrarily arrested, covered with an exit lock or prevented from entering Turkey. Persons who have been able to enter and leave in the past without any problems can also be arrested in the event of a renewed stay due to late or new accusations of action.

Source: soda

ElektrikKlaus
2 years ago

I don’t know if you can apply for compensation, but:

Entry can also be made with passport, provisional passport, identity card or passport if the document has expired for a maximum of one year

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/ReiseAndSafety/tuerkeisicherheit/201962

kanimambo
2 years ago
Reply to  ElektrikKlaus

Entry and import regulations for German nationals may change in the short term without the Federal Foreign Office being informed of this beforehand. Please inform yourself in advance of the Representations of your target country. Only there will you receive legally binding information and/or information on the entry and customs provisions of your country of travel beyond these references.

important addition to the above quote

Source: soda

stufix2000
2 years ago

The Federal Foreign Office says even more:

German nationals, in particular persons with close private and personal relations with Turkey, have been denied entry in numerous cases since the beginning of 2017 without notice of the reasons. Persons affected had to return to Germany after a waiting period of several hours until a few days in custody. The reasons for refusal of entry are not communicated in principle. Nor should it be excluded that there is a connection with anonymous denunciations. A high proportion of the rejected had a Kurdish or Turkish-alvitian family background.

Source

There is no right to enter foreign countries. Just when the documents are not in order.

Here too the AA:

  • Take care of valid identification documents before traveling to Turkey.

You can try the tour operator if it was a package trip.

Denied visa and refused entry on vacation

For a flat-rate trip, there are slightly different regulations. According to § 4 BGB-InfoV, there is an information obligation of the tour operator. This must indicate to travellers the applicable entry requirements. If he leaves these instructions and the traveler does not apply for a visa, the passenger may demand compensation.
https://www.flugrecht.de/blog/visum-or-entrance-veregt-the-cost/

ART71
2 years ago

Bad luck! Most of the travel documents are the entry requirements of the holiday country, and it is the personal responsibility of the traveler to fulfill them. Special visas and the like often help tour operators.

However, the fact that a passport document must be valid for at least 6 months is almost part of the general education.

ART71
2 years ago
Reply to  Hellboy03

You wouldn’t have got any problems with Pass. The fact that at least half a year is valid even if you arrive on foot, not only at the airport. And letting substitute documents go abroad is usually more problematic than before leaving home. The country of entry is not obliged to issue substitute documents to foreigners in contrast to domestic authorities.

stufix2000
2 years ago
Reply to  ART71

6 months of validity, however, is almost part of general education.

Not all countries are calling for that. It is not a flat-rate requirement. Each country has its own entry regulations and the sovereignty over whom it enters and who does not.

kanimambo
2 years ago

In the foreign office it was said that you could even enter with an expired pass…

I would like to see that in writing. I’m very interested.

I told myself that we can’t enter the trip because we were denied the past.

My question is: are we looking for reimbursement of the price? Of course not the complete one but a part.

Neither the travel agency nor the travel portal have influence on the Turkish customs authorities and can be held liable for their decisions.

What are the claims for refunds is regulated in the contract or in a travel insurance. It is common that parts are reimbursed if there are good reasons before the arrival of the trip, i.e. the trip has not been made, partly even if it has been cancelled (for example for health reasons). The so-called “higher violence” is generally excluded. By your flight, but not appearances, however, neither the travel provider nor the hotel(s) can find short-term replacements. Whether a (safely completed?!) Travel insurance takes over shares, must be clarified directly with them.

kanimambo
2 years ago
Reply to  kanimambo

I’m glad we could help. always happy

peterobm
2 years ago

the travel price is completely gone, as you have been denied entry, you have to answer it yourself.

Why have you been denied entry? what will be silent?

peterobm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hellboy03

and what citizenship does your accompaniment have? there is something wrong with the documents

because of this you have a problem with entry that has been denied you. the Turkish authorities decide alone, denied entry, so your travel price is falling.

wilees
2 years ago

My question is: are we looking for reimbursement of the price? Of course not the complete one but a part.

No – because this would be “higher violence” from a travel company’s point of view, which has no influence on it.

My accompaniment had a passport of 2 months

does your accompaniment have German citizenship?

kim294
2 years ago

Do you have legal protection insurance? In my case, there is the possibility to call a free lawyer hotline and get advised.