Märklin signals differences?
What exactly is the difference between the two pre- and main signals? What does “start up” mean, and why does the price vary so much? Which one is suitable for whom?
Advance signal:
Main signal:
What are the general differences, advantages and disadvantages?
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Hello frcelev2790
The start-up signals are switched with a normal signal switch, which also switches the driving current.
The other signals have a decoder and are only switched digitally
Greetings HobbyTfz
I know that at the start-up signals below 3 cables are to be connected to the switching console 72751. What about the “standard” signals? I have a Central Station 3, can you control the signals via the touch screen (like the switches with decoders)?
Thanks for the star
Hi, we should agree briefly on what you mean by standard signals. I guess it's the more expensive, because you're comparing them with the start up signals. A quick look into the virtual Märklin catalog has already revealed the difference. Start up can be operated with the control consoles addressed by Hobby TFZ. An automatic operation is already excluded. However, the signals also spark with a corresponding digital decoder. The decoders understand Motorla and DCC digital formats and can be operated via this with switching glows or touch switches. This then also allows automatic operation. The signals of the start-up series can only transmit the stops or travel functions. So yellow/yellow > red or green/green > green, or locking signals (cloud) red/red and white/white.
The travel current at the holding section is switched by the setting console during analog operation, during decoder operation by the decoder itself.
In the StartupSeries, only the block main signal, the matching pre signal and the "Schotterzwerg are currently available.
Now the standard signals: They can be operated exclusively digitally controlled. For this, the external decoder is omitted, as a Digi receiver belongs to the delivery. However, the latter can also be actuated again with switching glides or pushbuttons. If the signals are multi-characteristic in terms of construction, a single-running hatup signal can represent hold, travel or even travel at a limited speed, the decoder is taken into account and can be switched accordingly. In order to match the original even more, the signal images can change with short flashes and flashes and a reconnection of the individual LEDs, just as with the model. However, the same must be programmed individually for each signal. The deeper you enter, the more possibilities open to you.
Driving current circuit is of course also included. Only the "Slow ride" is not automatically implemented. However, computer freaks can probably get something like this with PC and additional hardware and software. In total there are 10 different signals in the epoch 4 in the so-called. HV system, which can represent all possible signal images in the model. In epoch 5 and 6, Märklin has not yet arrived with the signals. Ki with fewer lights, but more possibilities.
According to this small technology excursion, the price difference should also be explained. In the case of a large plant with longer driving distances with block sections, I would probably use both series. Since I only know stopping or driving in the block, I can install the startups. At stations it is then possible to select the appropriate signal for each location.
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Kind regards and a lot of fun on the model trainer.
The two more expensive signals can be controlled via digital decoders
All right, thanks for the answer!
According to the description, there are probably only driving or standing directly, as far as a flywheel mass does not produce a follow-up on the motor. However, a deceleration, holding and starting section can be set up with an additional component (remote manufacturer). Here's an example link. https://uhlenbrock.de/de_EN/produkte/analog/I000C36A-001.htm !ArcEntryInfo=0004.3.I000C36A Copy the link to the browser address line and "Enter". With such modules there is something to do with all signals. I do not see only the observation of the slow trip separately. However, if a locomotive is detected at the signal, an independent programming could control this locomotive in accordance with the signal image. How far the CS x control this is not known to me. With analog operation of the locomotives, this is easier to realize.
Okay, I didn't think of the possibility. The catalog does not refer to relay operation. But, of course, that goes and keeps the costs low. Thanks for the objection!
Thank you for the long and detailed answer:) I would still have one question: As I understood correctly, the train brakes automatically when the signal is red with the expensive “standard” signals. Does the train then stop abruptly or slow down (as in real)? And can you disable this function so you have to manually brake?
These signals can also be switched automatically on analog systems via switching contact and relays.
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Okay, thanks for the help😊
I would like to give an answer. Check out the product range of Viessmann Modellbau. There are even more signals from different eras, including form signals, which can be found occasionally even today. They are also suitable for digital operation with Märklin or other digital systems. Here's the link! https://viessmann-modell.com/search?sSearch=Lichtsignals&p=4 I think it could be an alternative to Märklin.
The start-up signals are kept significantly simpler. Less details and simpler technology. Hold the toy line for children in contrast to the line for the adult model builder.