Allow shops to open on Sundays to support the local economy?

In many countries, most people go shopping on Saturdays and Sundays, which primarily benefits the local economy. Most people have these days off. In Germany, however, most shops are normally prohibited from opening. A little more domestic consumption would be good for the German local economy right now.

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HappyMe1984
1 year ago

We must finally get away from looking at the economy as something own, independent in space. The economy should serve people – not vice versa! The economy should therefore ensure that we humans can meet our needs as best as possible, not to meet their needs.

The work-free Sunday is something that very many people use because at least one day a week the most people can have free and spend time with each other, that is to say, fulfill their social needs. To delete this would therefore bring little added value to people – and therefore serve the economy, but no longer to people!

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyMe1984

We finally have to stop the businessmen from doing something separate. Rules should protect people – not restrict! It should be ensured that shop owners can implement their individual needs as best as possible, and not to fulfill our ideas of trading.

Sunday, open to sale, is something that many people use because shop owners can make their operation flexible and efficient according to their needs. It would therefore not add value to people – and not serve anyone who is really affected by it: people in retail!

HappyMe1984
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

As long as the owner of the business is standing there, from me! But isn’t it the case?

roberto03784
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyMe1984

so, interesting, are you going to work yourself?

HappyMe1984
1 year ago
Reply to  roberto03784

Yes. And consciously and intentionally in the non-profit area, with a free institution of child and youth assistance. As an economic expert. And thus, including waiving a higher salary, which would be possible in the free economy. Because this path for me in this current system is the one I can best agree with my beliefs.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

Right. Every employee can choose where he works.

When you apply as a bathing master, waiter or police officer, you can ask if you do only certain layers and decide whether to start or not.

It is the same for retail employees: You can ask at the interview whether they can only work on certain days and not on others.

Of course, the boss decides who he wants to hire and who doesn’t.

Do the employees who will bring your steak to the table on Sunday and then will not have workers’ rights with the subway, or are their rights less important to them?

HappyMe1984
1 year ago

As I said – if it is only and exclusively the owner of the business that sits there on Sunday, please, from me! Otherwise, it is about workers’ rights. And soaking up is and always remains a very bad idea.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

If that’s not so important to you, please, look for a job you work on Sundays!

I don’t care about it, and I don’t want it for MICH!

(I even worked in shift for some time and enjoyed the benefits. But this is another topic that falls under the category: Yes, there are people who like to work shift.)

But it’s about the store owner the free choice and do not prescribe what you or someone else thinks, which is supposed to be the best for his private life.

You might have had bad experiences – I didn’t.

But let me guess: you wish business was open on Sunday, because – tada – you’re free and would like to go shopping, right?

No. Wrong.

I wrote in the first sentence of my first statement:

We finally have to stop the businessmen from doing something separate.

So again: Everyone should be free to decide if and when and how long he opened and closed.

Think about this contradiction again!

I do not recognize a contradiction in the fact that I want to give shop owners freedom in shaping their opening hours.

I know of course what you’re playing:

Of course I must during my working time also work and can not shopping!

Do you notice that actually DEIN thought is contradictory?

If every store owner had exactly the same working hours as I would, when can I go shopping with him???

So someone should have the goods for Private people also during the Leisure these people be available and have opened its store. And that’s just: Evening and weekend.

Why have leisure facilities (museums, swimming pools, cinemas, amusement parks, bowling halls, kartbahns, trampoline halls, billiard cafés, escape rooms, mini-golf facilities, laser day, spas … etc) accidentally also opened exactly then – in the evening and/or weekend – because other people have time to go there.

So where is the contradiction to offer goods or services when they are needed??

It would be much more a contradiction to expect that, for example, a cinema would be successful, which only opened Monday to Friday from 8:00 to 17:00.

HappyMe1984
1 year ago

You, I grew up as a child of an anesthetist and a psychiatrist, both working in hospitals, both with night and weekend services. And precisely on the basis of this very personal experience, which means weekend work for family life, I totally reject that more people work as absolutely necessary on Sundays!

If that’s not so important to you, please, look for a job you work on Sundays! But let me guess: you wish business was open on Sunday, because – tada – you’re free and would like to go shopping, right? Think about this contradiction again!

AlexausBue
1 year ago

And that is equally important to everyone?

Pilots? Nurses? Candy? Taxi drivers? Staff on radio and television? Car drivers? Bathmasters? Ski instructors?

Hmm…

HappyMe1984
1 year ago

Yeah, you got another day a week, right. But at some point, not necessarily when friends and family also have free! This is the good on free Sundays or Weekends – that for many people this is quite reliable free days, where almost everyone is really free and you can do things together as a family, for example!

AlexausBue
1 year ago

It was normal that employees in the retail trade had therefore freed from Saturday and then the complete Sunday at the latest.

What does that say?

In the meantime, Saturday in retail is a very normal, long working day like the days from Monday to Friday. Where there is nothing with “one per month” for the most common employees, but rather “Naja, one per month you have free because we are so nice!”

You have a contract with 40 hours working hours. I did. I work on 5 days a week for 8 hours.

If you work for 5 days every day for 8 hours and the SAMSTAG is below it, you have a different day. For example, Monday like hairdressers.

Where’s the problem?

And you think this would be different at a Sunday opening?

It will run exactly as I wrote:

If you work for 5 days every day for 8 hours and the SONNTAG is under it, you have a different day. Like Friday.

Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t seriously think that I mean with Sunday off sale, everyone in the retail must work on 7 days a week!

Or do you really not know how shiftwork is going?

HappyMe1984
1 year ago

When I was a kid, shops on Saturday only had up to about 12 o’clock. It was normal that employees in the retail trade had therefore freed from Saturday and then the complete Sunday at the latest.

In the meantime, Saturday in retail is a very normal, long working day like the days from Monday to Friday. Where there is nothing with “one per month” for the most common employees, but rather “Naja, one per month you have free because we are so nice!” And you think this would be different at a Sunday opening?

AlexausBue
1 year ago

It is that (all) employees in retail do not want to work Sundays?

Everyone can apply for a job and know what awaits him. And a Sunday a month, everyone can do it.

60 years ago, it might have been that you had a family life at home every Sunday, but the times have changed.

Keyboardfan
9 months ago

Basically, for more flexibility in the shop opening times: for the Customers better; and for the retailers also!

  • for the Holders: he can also sell on Sundays; and perhaps for him the “business” is interesting!;
  • for the Customers: they can also go shopping at home on Sundays – and also buy what they need JETZT and UNBEDINGT!
  • for the (so bad in my city too) Stationary trade: he would finally be more attractive – compared to “Internet commerce”: customers could finally buy SOFORT what they want/need – also on Sunday!
  • possibly. also for the “small independent shops”/ for the (small) business in the country/ for the “dangered (small) shops/ “structurally weak shopping areas” (?): these “areas” would be “interesting” because there could also be “doing/ shopping” on Sunday!
  • for the Total (stationary) trade: because then more would be bought/consumed! (Turnover!) – Where there are no eggs, nothing is bought (less total)!

The current scheme on the other hand, inflexible.

It’s stupid if you want to buy something (at the moment), and the government/legislator does not allow it to one!

GamerX9
1 year ago

In principle, I would be open for why not, and in other countries, Sunday is always open.

BenniXYZ
1 year ago

Absolutely. The peasants also have to provide their animals on Sunday and the church has nothing to do with it. This is free under the week when everyone else is going to work and the authorities are open.

Why isn’t that a deal?

In the long term, trade in holiday regions has found a way to circumvent these church rules. With us, the holidaymakers must also be able to supply food on Sundays. They may only arrive at Sa Evening and there is a very helpful supermarket on the way. The shop staff has two days off the week. Unfortunately, this is only valid until the end of October. From November, all the after-catchers have to buy their overpriced rolls at the tank in the morning. And on Sunday there’s dead pants everywhere.

roberto03784
1 year ago
Reply to  BenniXYZ

Yes, exactly, Scheis’ church rule, they have nothing to tell us

Jobwechsel
1 year ago

It would be my dream if Germany woke up from the Middle Ages and the shops were open 7 days a week just as in many other countries.

But unfortunately: Will never happen.

Midgardian
1 year ago

For so long it has not been since the shops closed by half seven. It could be tight to buy something after dinner. Today, with opening hours until 10:00, you have time enough. And Saturday is still there. We should leave people in the retail shop on Sunday.

HesslerITCon
1 year ago

I have worked for 10 years in the retail trade, then when the city administration is open, just like banks.

Sunday is the day in the family .. we have 6 days a week open from 7 am to 10:00 pm, what is this supposed to do? in England they also have to open some Sundays but already earlier in the evening.

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  HesslerITCon

Sunday is the day in the family

In so far as none of the family works in care, gastronomy, transport, police, rescue services, entertainment, aviation, public transport, security authorities, tourism, art and culture, etc.

They make it different…

And the same way, employees in retail can do it. Do not understand why people in retail should not be able to do so.

ultrarunner
1 year ago

After I love working on the weekend and having free for it occasionally under the week, I could imagine that it is the same for other people. Maybe Subject someone working on the weekend…

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  ultrarunner

MaybeSubjectyes someone working weekend

Be careful with this statement… there are some who say that no one in the retailers wants to do this and that ALL in the retailers want to spend Sunday with the family …

iQhaenschenkl
1 year ago

Do you really think the Germans spend more on 7 days than on 6 days?

If the purse is empty, a Sunday on sale won’t help.

What about the sellers? There is more to be hired and the sales prices increase.

This discussion is so old and overtaken.

In addition, before Christmas we have Sundays open to sale. That makes sense.

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  iQhaenschenkl

Do you really think the Germans spend more on 7 days than on 6 days?

That was never the speech!

If the purse is empty, a Sunday on sale won’t help.

That’s not the point.

What about the sellers? There is more to be hired and the sales prices increase.

No, of course you don’t have to hire personnel anymore. The layers are divided only differently.

You say that no more is bought, so the clientele is distributed and therefore fewer staff is needed on other days.

This discussion is so old and overtaken.

And why is she always coming? Maybe there’s a wish.

In addition, before Christmas we have Sundays open to sale. That makes sense.

Oh, DA makes sense? Because… you suddenly put more money in your pockets?

I find this argument inconsistent.

Walum
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

Do you really think the Germans spend more on 7 days than on 6 days?

That was never the speech!

Yes, you should read the question again.

No, of course you don’t have to hire personnel anymore. The layers are divided only differently.

Oh, LOL, you don’t even know how shiftwork works in retail?

You say that no more is bought, so the clientele is distributed and therefore fewer staff is needed on other days.

No, you need IMMER enough staff to run the store in three layers – EGAL as many customers are cheating. If you want to redistribute their layers to plan another day, you need NATÜRLICH More people. It’s not like there’s always someone over there. They have extra jumpers that can replace multiple branches.

What exactly do you want to do?

This discussion is so old and overtaken.

And why is she always coming? Maybe there’s a wish.

Because people don’t google before they ask…

In addition, before Christmas we have Sundays open to sale. That makes sense.

Oh, DA makes sense? Because… you suddenly put more money in your pockets?

All possible capitalist maximum demands make sense. Don’t.

No, they just got through because all people want to buy at the same time, because many holidays follow and the people saved at the end of the year.

I find this argument inconsistent.

The model with the sale-open Sundays is also controversial everywhere – especially with the chains due to the higher personnel costs due to the weekend supplement.

Sunday work is just for families. Ask the usual suspects who always have to do Sunday shifts: rescue services, nurses, gastro.

We have long fought for our social achievements. Also for work-free Sunday. To protect workers and families. And that has not hurt retailers for decades.

Minimum wage shift workers have been made from ordinary employees. You really think that’s good?

iQhaenschenkl
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

Who can differentiate is inconsistent?

Poor!

AlexausBue
1 year ago

In the contract there are such clauses that, for example, your Mo-Sa shop has to be opened from 9 am to 20 pm.

Maybe this is the case in large shopping malls or malls.

Whether every small store in pedestrian areas has such clauses… I don’t know.

I am also not concerned with any rental contracts, and I am writing repeatedly explicitly that the Sunday on sale should be optional and not obligatory.

The rent depends on the area.

So I was right with my guess that the rent is not dependent on the opening hours.

For example, if you also open Sundays the rent does not rise.

Additional costs and personnel. Costs are…

Yeah, I know. I would like to give the dealer the greatest possible freedom to cover these costs.

Let’s play a thought game and disregard any rental contracts or clauses or other special cases:

Dealer X has a shop for certain items. He rents a shop for 2000€ a month. Monday to Wednesday morning are busy days. On the other hand, he could make more or at least equal pay on Sundays than on these three half days together. Maybe he wants to close completely on Mondays because the day is not worth it anymore. He would work nicely less time and have more time to rest. What does it say to him if he wants it and if he sees advantages in it?

Again, it’s not about I or the VERMIETER or the COMPLETION, or anyone else against his will. He should decide because he can sell his customers so much.

Customers are happy and he is. Where’s the problem? I don’t see it.

Should anyone who doesn’t buy in there or has to live from the revenue decide that dealer X has to be at home on Sundays to recover? Because he can’t recover on Mondays?

AlexausBue
1 year ago

This means that Edeka should practically give the complete margin. That would haveYoualso not accepted.

In turn, Edeka could have increased prices to the end customers, then as a customer I would have had the free choice to pay 45% more or not.

And then the overpriced stuff on the shelfYourLetting rejection wait?

If no one buys it, it comes from the range.

Why does it surprise me that your Tiradeagainst Edekais it?

Tirade? I wouldn’t call it that way.

I remembered the example because we only shop at Edeka. I don’t know the problems of Aldi, Norma, Kaufland or Globus.

Walum
1 year ago

Question: Is the height of the rent dependent on the opening hours of the tenant? I’m curious.

In the contract there are such clauses that, for example, your Mo-Sa shop has to be opened from 9 am to 20 pm. Including threats to contractual penalties. Lighting must be externally controlled from the central control center of the shopping center. They make inspections that your goods offer does not overlap with the other tenant, cleanliness and hygiene are controlled by them before the health center changes through the ECZ.

The rent depends on the area. For 25 euros you get anya trade m in Hamburg. In an EKZ perhaps 50 (but I do not have a current number for this). 100 square meters cost 5,000 euros.

Additional costs and personnel. Costs are…

Walum
1 year ago

You should look at regulated markets in other countries.

There the social scissors immediately collapsed and in all regions that are not particularly privileged the minimum wage as incometopridge established. Career is impossible for normal-poor people and the entire market economy is in the hands of chains and corporations. Small shops can’t survive.

Your idea of capitalism has no advantages if you are not sitting at the top of the food chain as a mono- or oligopolyist.

As a customer at the bottom, you can’t afford the expensive flakes anymore. This can be seen well in Turkey. Inflation in Turkey is up to more than 60 percent increased. Shops that want to get 24/7 with a second cash fund just for tourists over the rounds – and are threatened with punishment. Beautiful new world.

Edeka has listed Kelloggs, by the way, because they 45% higher purchase prices (at the same UVP). This means that Edeka should practically give the complete margin. That would have You also not accepted.

And then the overpriced stuff on the shelf Your Letting rejection wait?

Why does it surprise me that your Tirade against Edeka is it? ;D

AlexausBue
1 year ago

You can offer them to waive weekend work – so without losing the job

That’s not an argument.

Therefore, our market economy must remain social and not be “free”.

I don’t see that.

And it’s OK that we have different opinions here.

You demand that theTradeto decide. Customers are a willless sheep-heart with limited money, which will not become more on Sunday than in the week.

Slow down.

I want to leave it to trade, when he sold. The retailer decides his opening hours according to his needs.

The market, so the customers decide whether it likes it or not.

I’m not willing, because I decide whether I’m buying Wednesdays here or Sundays there. Or at Amazon.

Nobody decides for anyone else.

It makes sense in my eyes. Because not the legislator decides what is right for the dealer, but the dealer. And not the legislator decides when I go shopping, but myself.

Saab had been able to buy the bosses of GM from greed and was thus a dead dairy cow of the Americans. They’ve never been interested in the great Swedes saab. At the same poisoning, Opel is now different and the body is now French.

Clean analysis. That’s right.

But whatever the causes of the companies were: if you don’t offer anything that the market wants, you disappear from the market.

How many smartphone manufacturers are there? 5? Samsung, Xiaomi, Apple, Oppo and Vivo? And a few meaningless. Well.

You see, you also realize that some dominate the market and others are just away from the window.

I have no more or less sympathy with a hoofsmith, with a shoemaker or a CD dealer when they close their shop, as well as for every intern, Hertie or Kaufhof employee.

If, for whatever reason, the market does not want certain offers, why should these companies be protected?

Or otherwise asked: if a company could implement a successful concept, why should it be limited in its freedoms?

No, the dealer should decide.

Admittedly, this is contradictory.

I wrote that I Requirements does not like.

I count when you get prescribed when you buy and what? you buy.

You’re probably 10 euros for a 100g chess Frosties too expensive?

Yeah, that would be too expensive. I want to make this decision on the shelf.

Edeka should take these products from the range, if no customer wants to buy it and not to set any symbolic signs to the supplier or manufacturer.

That’s exactly what I mean: the trade is supposed to offer to the customer something where he thinks it likes the customer.

Okay, when are you going to the USA?

Not at all.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

They have NIE too much to replace. The chains have optimized their personnel management.

There are only 2 options:

Number 1: If – as everyone says – no one buys MORE than before, the customers are logically distributed to a sales day. This relieves the operation on the remaining days. This releases resources. As already written: not 1 to 1, but possibly only 9 are needed on 3 low-sale days of the week instead of 12 employees, these capacities are then available on Sundays.

Number 2: If there are just as much customers coming through the sale-open Sunday on the other days and even more and new customers come on Sundays, then the sales of Sunday staff can be financed.

No.

One of them must be. 1 or 2.

Read the rental contracts in the shopping centres and the contracts with the municipalities for commercial real estate!

Question: Is the height of the rent dependent on the opening hours of the tenant? I’m curious.

No, you obviously can’t count.

Have you read and understood the following sentence?

He can go through the sale Sunday – if there are lucrative shops waiting – to to close his shop!

I have the feeling you don’t understand that I don’t really want to be a whole longer and more open.

I want the owners to leave freedom to open when they think it is right and expect the best sales!

And if that’s only 5 days a week, but Sunday is there, I don’t see any higher needs.

No way! We’ve made the restrictions to stop abuse.

Are shop opening times mandatory?

The best sales are done under the week.

Yes, then you’ll leave his store closed on Saturdays and Sundays! What’s the problem?

I think you don’t understand my answer…

I don’t want to force anyone to open Sundays if he doesn’t want it!

The shop protection law serves the PROTECTION of small shops. Otherwise, as in the past with countless examples, the small shops are very quickly broke.

Interesting that you “the little shop” so much more important. People also work in large shops. I find every job important…

Regardless of this: if you create a unique feature, the customers come.

That’s the competition.

I do not recognize any sense of protecting those who do not offer what the mass wants and do not align themselves with the needs of the market.

For me, it comes as a ban on streaming services to protect video counters or CD stores or a ban on digital cameras and smartphones to protect the film development industry. Here too, I wouldn’t see any sense.

Does anyone suffer from the tobacco industry just because there are smoking bans in buildings and people today smoke less?

If we’re all just buying Amazon and big corporations, it’s just because it has advantages. I don’t know why to slow it down.

I then open bridal fashionXXL, and demand for the wedding dress for three years only 100 euros with Sunday sale until 23:00. Then the market is mine, your store is insolvent.

Yes, do it! I’ll give it to you! Then you did everything right and I didn’t.

If you have a successful concept that customers prefer, you should also be more successful. And if I’m not economic, I’m going to insolvency. That’s it. Everything else would be wrong

Sunday ban(which you somehow forgot)

There is not only freight transport, I meant passenger transport.

Walum
1 year ago

Part 2, for character limitation

In a comical way, this is right… only families with members in retail do not create that.

The retail trade doesn’t want to pay it properly. They’re okay? You can offer them a weekend job – so without losing the job – we’ll look again. And in their wallet.

Minimum wage shift workers have been made from ordinary employees. You really think that’s good?

The gastroindustry has – triggered by the pandemic – employee problems. She has to react to it somehow. If you take advantage of his employees, they’ll go.

Fact! 😀

But this is free market economy. Whether bridal fashion shop or nursery, shoemaker or sneakers shop, record shop or Applestore: they all have to adapt their concept to the needs.

No, if the needs of workers are abused, not. This is the long-term problem in Germany. Therefore, our market economy must remain social and not be “free”.

Customers should decide what they want, not the trade. And yes, those who offer the wrong goods or services will lose. What happened to Fuji, Nokia or Saab? If the customer does not want your products, you need to change something.

I’m sorry, but you kind of wounded that wrong. You demand that the Trade to decide. Customers are a willless sheep-heart with limited money, which will not become more on Sunday than in the week.

Fuji, Nokia and Saab have fallen victim to managers’ end-capitalist ideas.

Saab had been able to buy the bosses of GM from greed and was thus a dead dairy cow of the Americans. They’ve never been interested in the great Swedes saab. At the same poisoning, Opel is now different and the body is now French.

Nokia had forgotten to establish a vision on the smartphone market instead of maximizing the Share Holder value.

How many smartphone manufacturers are there? 5? Samsung, Xiaomi, Apple, Oppo and Vivo? And a few meaningless. Well.

I don’t know anything about Fuji. What about them?

I think it’s bad if Edeka takes products from Kellog’s assortment and prescribes what I have to buy instead of letting me decide what I want.

No, the dealer should decide. Now he does it because he only wants to sell products from wholesalers and to dictate the conditions, is that not right again?

You’re probably 10 euros for a 100g chess Frosties too expensive?

I want to decide where and when to buy it.

You would have to pay the shelf rent for products that nobody else wants…

Call me capitalist, that’s what I prefer to have as GDR relations.

Okay, when are you going to the USA?

Walum
1 year ago

Part 1, for character limitation

Of course, it will not always be possible that exactly x employees stay away on Mondays and work for this x employees on Sundays.

They have NIE too much to replace. The chains have optimized their personnel management.

If the thesis agrees that no longer is bought, then on other days capacities will be released that can be used on Sundays. Not 1 to 1, clear, but if there are more than 2 or 3 employees, he will be able to make the layers flexible.

No. Zero revenue growth minus operating costs for open charging per day = loss business.

NO shop owner forced to open when there is no clientele! (Why do everyone always think that on sale Sunday means 24/7 for every store???).

He can close his shop through the sale-open Sunday – if there are lucrative shops waiting – at times that are weak! No one forbids him!

Of 24/7, there was not talk.

Read the rental contracts in the shopping centres and the contracts with the municipalities for commercial real estate!

You really don’t know what you’re talking about.

And DAS is economical and efficient! And it saves costs, which is therefore more profit at the bottom.

No, you obviously can’t count.

A supermarket with 4 branches is operated per day with three times three shifts to 8 hours. =9. In addition, after region three “Springer” times three layers for four branches. =45 layers

Time 6 days = 270 layers. With Sunday 315 layers.

More personnel costs for 45 layers without additional turnover?

For technical operating costs.

The shop owner can and should of course also adapt his opening hours to the needs! He can decide when he makes the best sales.

No way! We’ve made the restrictions to stop abuse.

“Sorry, I don’t care when you do the best sales, but on Sunday you have to stay at home with your family!”

Nope. The best sales are done under the week. There are no more extra sausages for the very big super discounter that made shops like yours with its market power just plated.

I want to leave the decision on opening hours to the store owner!

The shop protection law serves the PROTECTION of small shops. Otherwise, as in the past with countless examples, the small shops are very quickly broke.

I know a bridal fashion shop here that would sell much better and much more successful on Sundays. But it is forbidden by law because… Lidl is afraid of personnel costs?

I then open bridal fashionXXL, and demand for the wedding dress for three years only 100 euros with Sunday sale until 23:00. Then the market is mine, your store is insolvent.

Every ice cream shop may decide whether to open Sundays or January or at 7:00 in the morning or not.

Sunday work is just for families.

In so far as none of the family works in care, gastronomy, transport, police, rescue services, entertainment, aviation, public transport, security authorities, tourism, art and culture, etc.

Their Sunday supplements are also correspondingly expensive.

Transport is an exceptional problem – I would first look at the working conditions and the Sunday ban (you somehow forgot) with more emphasis. In addition, there is the urgently due wage construction site – especially foreign truckers. Everyone here has to be paid according to German conditions.
There’s so much in the arse that I’m sloping, sorry.

End Part 1, due to character limitation

AlexausBue
1 year ago

Yes, you should read the question again.

I only comment here the answer and not the initial question. I do not agree with this.

You don’t even know how shiftwork works in retail?

Yes.

You need IMMER enough staff to run the shop in three layers

That’s the point!

You need IMMER enough staff – to meet your needs!

Of course, it will not always be possible that exactly x employees stay away on Mondays and work for this x employees on Sundays.

But

  1. If the thesis agrees that no longer is bought, then on other days capacities will be released that can be used on Sundays. Not 1 to 1, clear, but if there are more than 2 or 3 employees, he will be able to make the layers flexible.
  2. NO shop owner forced to open when there is no clientele! (Why do everyone always think that on sale Sunday suddenly means 24/7 for every store???). He can close his shop through the sale-open Sunday – if there are lucrative shops waiting – at times that are weak! No one forbids him! And DAS is economical and efficient! And it saves costs, which is therefore more profit at the bottom.

The shop owner can and should of course also adapt his opening hours to the needs! He can decide when he makes the best sales.

Why would anyone want to decide for him:

“Sorry, I don’t care when you do the best sales, but on Sunday you have to stay at home with your family!”

What exactly do you want to do?

I want to leave the decision on opening hours to the store owner!

The model with the sale-open Sundays is also controversial everywhere – especially with the chains due to the higher personnel costs due to the weekend supplement.

Then they should leave it if they don’t want it!

I know a bridal fashion shop here that would sell much better and much more successful on Sundays. But it is forbidden by law because… Lidl is afraid of personnel costs?

Sorry for the sarcasm, but with all the arguments against Sunday open to sale, it always seems to me that the opponents think I would have claimed: 24/7 for everyone! Without compromise!

If the costs (no matter whether staff, or energy or whatever) are too high or higher than the expected profit, the store will remain!

But let’s let the shop owner decide if he wants it or not.

Every ice cream shop may decide whether to open Sundays or January or at 7:00 in the morning or not.

Sunday work is just for families.

In so far as none of the family works in care, gastronomy, transport, police, rescue services, entertainment, aviation, public transport, security authorities, tourism, art and culture, etc.

In a comical way, this is right… only families with members in retail do not create that.

Minimum wage shift workers have been made from ordinary employees. You really think that’s good?

The gastroindustry has – triggered by the pandemic – employee problems. She has to react to it somehow. If you take advantage of his employees, they’ll go.

But this is free market economy. Whether bridal fashion shop or nursery, shoemaker or sneakers shop, record shop or Applestore: they all have to adapt their concept to the needs.

Customers should decide what they want, not the trade. And yes, those who offer the wrong goods or services will lose. What happened to Fuji, Nokia or Saab? If the customer does not want your products, you need to change something.

I think it’s bad if Edeka takes products from Kellog’s assortment and prescribes what I have to buy instead of letting me decide what I want.

I want to decide where and when to buy it.

Call me capitalist, that’s what I prefer to have as GDR relations.

iQhaenschenkl
1 year ago

I find it poor if someone can’t differentiate. It’s not an insult, it’s a statement.

You confirmed my claim with your last comment!

Thank you.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

Who can differentiate is inconsistent?

I didn’t say.

But in my eyes it is inconsistent to consider an assumption on 4 days a year to be valid, but on 48 days a year.

Poor!

You don’t have to be offensive, I won’t. Or do you have no better arguments?

AlexausBue
1 year ago

Prohibitions are wrong.

Still, everyone can decide when to open his store.

iQhaenschenkl
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

Is the store owner really free in his decision or is he forced by the competitive pressure of the store chains to participate, even though it is not worth it?

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  iQhaenschenkl

If the shop owner is then really free in his decision

Of course.

it is forced by the competitive pressure of the store chains to participate

No. If he gives good reasons to buy from him with his offer, he will be bought.

It is not driven to anything by any competitive pressure, but by its customers at most.

For example, if he lets 1000 potential customers stand in front of a closed door on Sundays and if he prefers to serve only 3 customers on Mondays in 8 hours, this is his bad luck and his own stupidity.

But in this case he does not think economically enough and unfortunately has not understood what service is.

The question that asks me is much more: Why do some assume that NO shopkeeper wants to work on Sundays?

What do all employees in the retail trade allegedly have NOT what is present in bus drivers, waiters or policemen?

Walum
1 year ago

11 minutes ago

> If the shop owner is then really free in his decision

Of course.

No!

I’ve linked you to the closing law here:

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ladschlg/

iQhaenschenkl
1 year ago

I’m just going to your last sentence now, because the rest is away from any business thinking and knowledge.

It is clear in the choice of occupation in which it is necessary to push such services. You don’t expect it as a seller. There is also a lack of the ability to differentiate. 🤷

DODOsBACK
1 year ago

People do not buy anymore, just because you extend the opening hours. At best, they buy “other” or larger providers, which can somehow make these times possible, while smaller businesses have even more difficult. This happened during the long Thursday, when opening hours were extended to midnight, and in most cases the result was a clear “return” as soon as the competition broke or a lustless “crease, customer, or die” offer with more security people than sales personnel. Longer opening hours are enormously expensive. Meanwhile, in my city even large chains boycott the few Sundays that were former giant events – because it is no longer worth it.

In principle, I have nothing against Sunday work, but then please do not confine it to retail. How much better could the specialist care be if the Uncle Doctor had opened 24/7? How much faster could you get a craftsman if he wouldn’t leave on Friday at 12 in the long weekend? How much more efficient would school education be if teachers were required to follow-up courses for “needy” students on weekends? Officials, bankers, office staff, educators, landscape gardeners, garbage collection 7 days a week would fulfill their duties?

roberto03784
1 year ago
Reply to  DODOsBACK

feuwehr, politicists watchmen and many also work, I don’t understand what you want to say

ronalda
1 year ago

But it would hardly encourage the economy.

Justus208
1 year ago

I think it’s a good idea.

LG

HesslerITCon
1 year ago
Reply to  Justus208

I am against it.

Rentner1955
1 year ago
Reply to  HesslerITCon

🙂

Claphamroad
1 year ago
Reply to  HesslerITCon

Better on Sunday, where anything else is, than on a day when I can go to the doctor, into the branches.

HesslerITCon
1 year ago
Reply to  Justus208

on what grounds?

Claphamroad
1 year ago

Sunday is dead. Everything’s dead. The towns look as if ravened plague. By extinct Mainz (for example) mistaken Sundays tourists from Asia, other parts of the earth, who are unconstitutional in the shop windows of closed shops. Pest again in Germany? Everybody dead?

lesterb42
1 year ago
Reply to  Claphamroad

Thanks to amazon and co, the inner cities look like this on other days. Missing only the flying hayballs from the Western.

Legion73
1 year ago

I’m quite clear about it.

Rentner1955
1 year ago
Reply to  Legion73

Fully correct.Is yes a rest day.VG 🙂

xNevan
1 year ago

The German local economy would do a little more self-consumption right now.

To this end, the additional day would have to play in order to cover the increased personnel costs. In view of the fact that there is hardly any traffic in retail, this is rather unlikely.

THOPRO
1 year ago

there are enough days where to buy can

psimonp
1 year ago
Reply to  THOPRO

Sunday is a good day for it. I like to go shopping on Sundays

THOPRO
1 year ago
Reply to  psimonp

then number but also supplement for Sunday

horribiledictu
1 year ago

if the shops are open for longer, people still don’t have more money.

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  horribiledictu

The background is not that you want to make more money.

horribiledictu
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

but? if the local economy is to be promoted by longer opening hours, then it is only by people buying more. because of the longer imprisonment alone, without more turnover, the economy has only costs

horribiledictu
1 year ago

a small part. I think a majority of the traders can enjoy a safe free day with the family, Sunday, udn manages to go shopping on the remaining 6 days.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

with such long opening hours, companies do themselves easier than small shops

Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe the shop owner would rather go down to his store on Sunday than Wednesday…

All shops must search for unique features. If they don’t offer added value, nobody goes.

We cannot forbid all supermarkets from compassion in front of Aunt Emma store in the pedestrian zone.

We customers want more choice and that means that those who can’t go here lose.

What about the CD stores? Does anyone abandon streaming to save them?

the question is whether we as a society want this

I want to have the opportunity to buy when I want. And I see myself as part of society.

horribiledictu
1 year ago

with so long opening hours, corporations do themselves more easily than small shops – or you have something like the Turkish grocery stores that Mrs udn children have to work constantly to keep open for a long time.

the question is whether we want this as a society. Finally, the economy has to be there for people, not vice versa.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

It is about making more competition possible. If and when a store opens, the owner can and should decide himself.

If he thinks that it is more economical for IHN to open Sundays instead of e.g. Wednesday, what does it mean to allow him?

Why should be decided by law and/or by guessing internet users what is best for the owner?

If it really should be that no one has advantages by it, no one will open Sundays! But let’s make a decision with the owners.

Funny is, that’s how it was argued earlier at shop opening hours until 20:00 or 22:00 and Saturday until 16:00 and later until 20:00.

Strangely, it also worked there and no shop has gone broke! Thus, longer loading opening times have proven to be worthwhile. And even at the time, there was no more money with the people in the wallet…

Adtzec
1 year ago

Your thesis is wrong.

Local retailers would be under pressure even more. People would just rightly take the time to go to the discounters on the green meadow. This, in turn, would deviate even more demand from local retailers, but the cost of this would increase further because it would have to be forced to participate.

As a result, even more local retail shops went through the planks.

AlexausBue
1 year ago
Reply to  Adtzec

People would just rightly take the time to go to the discounters on the green meadow.

How do you justify this thesis?

I always go to the same supermarket.

As a result, even more local retail shops went through the planks.

Why?

iQhaenschenkl
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

It’s not about the supermarket!🤪

Walum
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

Thesis? Fact. We’ve had all this for pleasure.

I always go to the same supermarket.

Yeah, no, it’s clear. Apart from national discounter market chains, there is practically no individual retail left.

Who doesn’t want to learn from the past is damned to repeat them.

Adtzec
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexausBue

The thesis can be justified with the given real emotion. The expansion of shop opening times in the 1980s has led to the loss of demand in the retail trade, but has made costs.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

It’s not about the supermarket!

I come up with a statement about discounters.

AlexausBue
1 year ago

One reason was also that the increased cost of parking wanted to get traffic out of towns.

lesterb42
1 year ago

If it is jammed, you will get the most necessary at stations and gas stations on Sunday.

Johannes5656
1 year ago

Don’t have to be.

psimonp
1 year ago
Reply to  Johannes5656

Why not?

Johannes5656
1 year ago
Reply to  psimonp

If you have to buy on Sunday, you will be guilty

Tommyleinchen59
1 year ago

I’m sitting between the chairs.