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T3Fahrer
3 years ago

Probably not. No one can prove whether the damage was already present at the time of purchase or has happened to you somehow. In any case, if it is on a non-fitting seat, where it can be proven that the damage has occurred due to incorrect assembly, but that would be a special case… Look if there are shy places through the seat – that would be a possibility of complaint.

VirageXO
3 years ago
Reply to  T3Fahrer

No one can prove whether the damage was already present at the time of purchase or has happened to you somehow.

And that’s the dealer’s problem.

T3Fahrer
3 years ago
Reply to  VirageXO

No, not really… there are theoretically obvious deficiencies that could have been noticed in an adequate inspection of the vehicle if they were already present at the handover.

WECoyote
3 years ago
Reply to  T3Fahrer

At the Z900 there was this problem too. That was the guarantee.

T3Fahrer
3 years ago

You make it more complicated than it is. If the deficiencies were already present on hand and could have noticed and had to, the dealer is out of there. Otherwise, you could go to the dealer in the first six months with each squash and every bump and claim that this damage had not occurred to you when handed over, although there is.

VirageXO
3 years ago

No, not really… there are theoretically obvious deficiencies that could have been noticed in an adequate inspection of the vehicle if they were already present at the handover.

You have two questions:

  1. Were the defects already present at hand? -> Load of presentation and proof at the dealer. Only the fact that this could have been noticed does not justify any discouragement of presumption.
  2. If the rights of defects are excluded because the questioner should have known this (§ 442 BGB). -> Load of presentation and evidence at the dealer.
blackhaya
3 years ago

Put the socius seat back on it, then the problem is solved.

I believe that the problem is really only rich industrial countries, because in many countries such problems are not known.

I’ll buy jeans in the store and then cry for something like that.

blackhaya
3 years ago
Reply to  Sebo556677

does it make problems with the ears?

Or do you just lay worth on the surface?

WECoyote
3 years ago
Reply to  blackhaya

Sorry, but you’re totally wrong. If you buy a product in a store, this must be free of damage. If, due to a faulty construction, a damage occurs, as in this case, the warranty is effective.

wattdennnu2
3 years ago
Reply to  blackhaya

Once again an answer from you that is absolutely not helpful. Zero substance!

verreisterNutzer
3 years ago

I want your bike see 😂😂

WECoyote
3 years ago

At the Z900 there was exactly this problem with some under the driver’s seat, as the clamps of the seat were too far out. This has been fixed to guarantee without any problems by changing the trim parts.

You better talk to your dealer and tell him the problem. However, I would first ask in a model-specific Facebook group or a (also model-specific) forum whether there are even more drivers of this model, in which these laughter damage has emerged under the socius seat. This greatly strengthens your argument against the dealer.

schlappeflicker
3 years ago

I think that’s what happened through the socius seat. And if you expect a perfect motorcycle for 12000€, look at the motorcycles of Ural. The cost more and the quality leaves too much to be desired.

verreisterNutzer
3 years ago

Huh? What does Ural have to do? What does that have to do with the purchase price?

If you buy a new product from the dealer, you are entitled to be free of damage. No matter what now ne 30ct milk pack from the aldi is or a new car from Ferrari.

schlappeflicker
3 years ago

You realize you have no idea of anything. Ever heard of the term “construction-related”? If the seat has corners on which he can sit the te as often as he wants to run as he wants, it gets better

schlappeflicker
3 years ago

You really don’t know you.

verreisterNutzer
3 years ago

It doesn’t have to be bad.

But no, Macken at the paint in a new vehicle wouldn’t accept a judge as “construction-related”. Never in life.

OriginalMotion
3 years ago

Hello,

the question is how the damage occurred. Does the socius seat lie on the lacquer at the points shown or has a foreign body been clamped between the lacquer set and the seat? In the event of a guarantee, it will probably only be possible if there is evidence of a paint defect or if the holder of the socius seat has been badly mounted and thus a contact arises.

SG

VirageXO
3 years ago

Does the guarantee for this?

Ensure, yes. The seller is obliged to prove that this happened only after handing over to you.

T3Fahrer
3 years ago
Reply to  VirageXO

Misinterpretation. Paint damages could have occurred beforehand when the vehicle is properly visited.

VirageXO
3 years ago
Reply to  T3Fahrer

As explained above, you have two questions:

  1. Were the defects already present at hand? -> Load of presentation and proof at the dealer. Only the fact that this could have been noticed does not justify any discouragement of presumption.
  2. If the rights of defects are excluded because the questioner should have known the damage (§ 442 BGB)? -> Load of presentation and evidence at the trader.
TheAllisons
3 years ago

Depends on where you bought it and what is in the purchase contract

WECoyote
3 years ago
Reply to  TheAllisons

It doesn’t matter.

TheAllisons
3 years ago
Reply to  WECoyote

Isn’t it when the contract stands, “purchased as seen” , there is no guarantee

WECoyote
3 years ago

It seems to be a new vehicle. There isn’t this Passus.