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pony
4 years ago

jein.

I’m sure you’re going to burn.

black sheep everywhere. in the traditional sport is unfortunately more than half the sheepskin black. as well as in jumping.

there are also those who make it suitable for horses and are more than successful.

a traditional horse must of course be very different than a normal riding horse and it is also quite differently gymnastized. if this happens correctly, it may start in a license race until it becomes 11 and in the b license until it becomes 15. as long as they keep it loose. the very good go quite early into the zucht and many of the others are still good riding horses after their career.

in the case of horses, you can judge according to the faust rule: the less equipment on the head and neck, the more horse-friendly is worked.

NoLies
4 years ago

It is missing the option “it depends”. In this “sport” the horse cannot be correctly gymised and it cannot be moved in a manner appropriate to the species before a carriage as it happens under the saddle. Seen in the long term, this is definitely not good for the horses (not to mention the danger of injury) if hobby times such a course is run (there are also horses that are ridden and driven) this is no longer bad.

pony
4 years ago
Reply to  NoLies

a traber must be gymnastized differently than a riding horse. So you can’t judge how a traditional gymnast must be. definitely quite different from a riding horse.

about 85% of the tranings work at trabern is gymnastieren: muscle and conditions.

NoLies
4 years ago
Reply to  pony

And that’s wrong. A horse must run actively over the backhand, whether on the ground, in front of the carriage or under the saddle. This is not possible in such races – whether it’s a rapper or a carriage race.

NoLies
4 years ago
Reply to  pony

This is about carriage races not for robbers.

NoLies
4 years ago

But it is if you do this for a long time, as already said, without the horse to gymnastics. And it was about carriage races, not drive. And look at the pictures, the horses can’t walk with an active backhand.

Suomenleijona
4 years ago

Yes, it is not about whether only carriage is harmful, but whether carriage is animal cruelty. And that’s not it. Logically, a horse should also run in front of the carriage with active backhand. Coach horses are also longed and worked from the ground, only not ridden (partly).

NoLies
4 years ago

That’s wrong. You don’t understand my comment. Again: a horse should also run on the Longe with active backhand, for example. A horse cannot be groomed during carriage rides, so the ground work is particularly important here. Again: it doesn’t matter whether it’s under the rider, on the floor, or when driving – a horse that’s just smiling on the forehand is not healthy. Whether riding or driving horse. That’s why it’s harmful to drive only with a horse carriage.

Suomenleijona
4 years ago

It plays a role, however, whether the horse has to carry a rider or not. The horse must go above all to carry the Teiter over the back. Of course, a carriage or trampoline horse must also be gymnastized. However, as mentioned, different from a riding horse.

Ben55460
4 years ago

Jein, it’s mostly on the holder…

ABER

One thing is clear the horses are forced to deliver top performances and are sometimes pushed over their limits. (And good for health is not that)

This is like the elite level of people only the horses in my opinion have no choice.

Generally, don’t find that one should “use” animals to get money.

Terilovehorse
4 years ago

Well, it depends on which race you take. If you take a trained jumping horse then it may not have so much fun on the race but if you take a horse the carriage has learned to pull and have fun on the race then the horse is happy even if it can be the sport. I myself have two racehorses and they look great when they can race. Horses are moving animals.

Gabiee
4 years ago

Basically, it is not animal torture. Just like riding is basically no animal cruelty only at the moment when the animal suffers, then it would be animal cruelty. But an animal which is properly treated and trained will be assumed that such an animal does not suffer. Unfortunately, horses cannot weep because whether it is a malting can only answer the animal.

pelchin02
4 years ago

No, as long as you don’t whip the animals so they get faster. An animal needs movement. :

NoLies
4 years ago
Reply to  pelchin02

Yes, a horse needs movement, but it hurts more than it uses. This is rather counterproductive. And no, a properly kept horse does not have to be moved every day by man or does not have to be moved by man.

pelchin02
4 years ago
Reply to  NoLies

It was just my opinion, and that’s yours.

NoLies
4 years ago

I think you have absolutely no idea and then there’s a typical comment. To answer your question: yes I can interpret the body language of horses (good, I have to do with them every day and so you learn in the lowest RA). The horse (or probably more pony) on the picture pushes the back away, pulls the head up. Typical indication of incorrect posture to circumvent pain or simply because it cannot accept the gymnastic/saving posture (as in this case) Definitely no gymnastic movement. Look at the first two pictures under “see the difference”, the first one is an incorrectly running horse the second one. https://www.wege-zum-pferd.de/produkte/longenkurs/ one of the two pictures and the position is known to you? (Tip: picture number 1)

pelchin02
4 years ago

were you asking?

NoLies
4 years ago

No, an opinion that hurts an animal or is simply proven to be wrong is not an opinion. And my opinion as you call it is not an opinion, but statements that are quite true and can be proven.
Or see here for you, like a horse, which is kindly and Gymantic?

Unicornlove264
4 years ago

Jain both partly

BerwinEnzemann
4 years ago

Of course the animal torture is.