No help in dire need?
Hello everyone, this is going to be a bit longer:
I'm an alcoholic and, as I've done many times before, I've been detoxifying alone at home. You're not supposed to do that, I know that.
So far it has always worked, just the withdrawal, not the abstinence afterwards.
After three or four days everything was always over and I have never had a seizure, let alone delirium.
I was once so bad during withdrawal that I called 911. Not the real emergency number, but the regular number.
The man was so unfriendly, asking me what he was supposed to do, what I wanted from him, whether he should bring me alcohol, or something. I said, of course not, but I need help, I'm in trouble.
No, you're not an emergency. Yes, I know, that's why I'm calling the regular number. But as withdrawal progresses, I could become an emergency, and I'd like to avoid that.
No, I can't do anything for you, you'll just have to go through with it. And he hangs up while I was about to say something. No lie: He just hung up mid-sentence.
I complained the next day – yeah, I'll pass it on.
Never wanted to call there again.
But now it was time again, when my need was so great. Another unfriendly person on the phone.
I say I'm worried about a seizure. Then you should go to your family doctor.
It was Sunday evening and I didn't even know how to get to the bathroom and I was afraid of the night.
Yes, then just call 116117. I already did that, and after an hour on hold, I was told they wouldn't send a doctor either.
It's not his fault, it's just the way it is.
I was already registered at a rehab clinic, but there's usually a three- to four-week wait. But I was feeling bad NOW.
I thought a day or two in a regular hospital would help, first to prevent a possible seizure (after all, that can always happen for the first time) and maybe to get myself back on track a bit. I was completely dehydrated and hadn't eaten anything in a week.
They're not responsible for you, I won't send an ambulance, and you don't need to go there privately; they won't take you in anyway. So, now I have even more to do, bye.
Somehow I survived the night and the next day my girlfriend did everything she could to get me into a safe environment.
She argued with the paramedics for over half an hour because they didn't want to take me either. Because there wasn't room in the rehab clinic, and I didn't belong in a regular hospital.
They then took me to the regular hospital, where I immediately received an infusion and withdrawal medication.
From there, I'm now in a crisis intervention unit until there's a place for me in the 'right' one.
Is it really right that someone is denied help like this? And what kind of insensitive people are sitting there?
You almost want to think: Oh, he's just an alcoholic anyway.
Thank you to everyone who has read this far, and I hope I don't get torn to pieces.
I would like to emphasize again: I did NOT call the emergency number.
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Yes, you can slowly ask yourself whether Germany has slowly become a developing country.
(as in many other areas.)
So I mean in the CH it would be much better if there were unfriendly personnel here too.
But all the way… rough already Arg .In such an emergency situation, it is inconceivably inhumane.
So I’m asking you to apologize for this unspeakable Grobiane here. 💐🕯
➡️But well you have now entered a protected room.And with it a piece on.
➡️If you get out again, I would urge you to put the AA as a self-help group to support, that the pain is also worth it, that you had to go through.
https://www.anonyme-alcoholiker.de/
https://youtu.be/3knoJSwFfok?si=WXlv-W7E8bQDMKng
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Honest question: How did you get into trouble (the moment in AKUTER)? How did you feel bad? A “I’m going bad” isn’t enough for some ambulance to be mobilized. What was the expectation?
You could not have brought you to a withdrawal clinic either, there is no more space than at daytime.
“I fear a seizure” Based on what? So what led you to the assumption? You say yourself “to avoid what possible” – so it sounds like you had no acute symptoms in the direction at all. A hospital is not a withdrawal clinic and also not to start with any constellations – that the clinic has taken you up, you can charge them up.
If you think it’s an emergency, please call the emergency call next time.
I don’t want to say that people at 116 117 are always polite or compassionate, but they can only send someone if there is real need – sometimes these people are mistaken. Or sometimes the person who calls is mistaken. Or sometimes the calling person does not express himself to be concrete enough.
You say you haven’t eaten a week – so you’ve been clear for a whole week that you need help.
If you’ve survived a week, a few hours until normal speaking time will make nothing realistic. I don’t want to sprinkle salt into the wound, really not. I can only refer to what I read and what it sounds like.
It’s terrible that the withdrawal clinics are so full, but I also want to say that.
I was so upset that I couldn’t even keep a glass of water, and once a slut has landed in it, he came out immediately. I couldn’t hold on my legs anymore, I’m crooked into the bathroom.
Of course it was clear to me in the week without food, much earlier. That’s why I already had a place on the waiting list. It went downhill faster than I could see.
My friend also tries to get rid of alcohol so I see how hard it is, what happened to you, hopefully helps the addiction clinic
I wish your friend and you all thoughtful good 🍀
Hello,
first thank you for your openness and warm participation in your bad experiences!
I suspect that in the “normal” medical field many people may simply have no idea how bad a cold alcohol withdrawal can be and Delirium Tremens can actually end fatal, for example.
In my bad time I also made some cold deductions at home that were bad (I was “Quartalssaufer”.). Two times it was too dangerous to me, and I made the withdrawal stationary. The first time I was sent to the hospital by my family doctor and picked up by the RTW and brought there. But I quickly had the impression that they couldn’t start with me there unless they gave me a bed. Since I had already done some months before stationary psychotherapy (not just because of alcoholism) in a state hospital – which has a special alcohol withdrawal station – I have moved as quickly as possible. I couldn’t get to the special station immediately, but in the closed acute mentality I felt better (even with an emergency bed on the gang for the first night) than in the normal hospital.
At the second time, I had to get myself straight from a friend to the state hospital and let me introduce myself to the acute psychiatry and make the last retreat there. (Bin since dry, very helped me a DBT, dialectic behavioral therapy which I did in intervals in the state hospital in the following months.)
Conclusion:
My experiences were before the big privatization wave, at the time it was so that the acute mentality had to take up emergencies, a bed was put on the way to the emergency. I don’t know if this is still the case today.
I also thank you for telling your story. It helps to know not to be alone. Very great respect for you that you have been making it for so long 👍🍀
Thank you.
I read below that you’ve been dry for 18 years.
Wish you all the best!
DAnn, they’re probably out of place on emergency phones!
There are AA meetings, there are the Caritas, there are some possibilities.
You go to the AA’s after the withdrawal and not before.
Who says that?
You can go to the AAs if you need support.
https://www.anonyme-alcoholiker.de/meetings/meetingssuche/
It is necessary, as dependants, to make the unspoken societal accusation, ‘that the situation itself has been blamed’. In particular, if you already have several withdrawals behind you, you know what can expect in future if you continue drinking (or taking opiates, swallowing benzos, etc).
Unfortunately, it cannot be created immediately and for each clinical emergency withdrawal frame. For this, the phenomenon is too widespread and our health system is not designed to manage so much misery at once.
I hope that one day you’ll make the leap. Some turn many, many rounds until he/she finds the exit
Alcohol is a devil. I was dry for 18 years, and yet it caught me again. It’s a disease you never get rid of.
That’s different. Sometimes the disease is acute, sometimes it rests.
But there is a ‘growing’ of dependent behavior; However, there must be several beneficial factors.
I speak from a long experience and my long experience.
As a nurse, I have to say that I’m very sorry about what happened to you. It’s not that someone is so unfriendly. But it is really problematic to get a place in a specialist clinic. “Normal” hospitals take up very unhealthy alcoholics, simply because they are not set up.
This isn’t supposed to be an excuse now, but something I’ve experienced myself. I had late service and suddenly a patient stands in front of the nurse’s room and said, “There’s a strange man in my bed.” Going down there was noisy, full dressed, another patient in the afternoon is out and banged out completely in the beer garden. 2.1 promille. We were then maulted when we froze him into his bed.
I’m not saying you’d behave like that. Hospitals do not have very good experiences with alcoholics. The mental care that would actually be necessary cannot afford the nurses in the hospital.
I was only three hours or so in the normal clinic. They caused my laying after they had taken care of me. As a private person, you have no chance.
There’s only one helper. That is why I would like to thank you again for your answer and the view of the “other side”.
I don’t know well with withdrawal and symptoms.
If you can’t bear the symptoms without full medical care, and you already know that from your experience, you should have taken care of a place in advance and it was quite reckless not to do that.
At the same time it is understandable that one cannot choose when one has the will to fight against the addiction and the withdrawal begins. In a perfect world with a stable health system you would have got help right away.
Unfortunately, it is well known that hospital beds and hospital beds are shortware and everything is overrun.
You can’t fool yourself on the phone, of course, it’s wrong that you haven’t been treated professionally and respectfully.
I wish you all the best for the withdrawal.
I took care of a place directly when I noticed it’s not going well for a long time. But there’s the waiting time for a few weeks.
Hello,
it sounds unbelievable when you read it like that. You make a cold withdrawal and suffer physically and need acute help. This is denied to you. I don’t know, but that doesn’t sound normal. I’d get this news. A seizure in your case could lead to a status epilepticus. That’s what everyone knows about medicine.
Call the emergency call next time with the indication danger to status epilepticus due to cold withdrawal.
Please don’t let you be discouraged.
LG
I’m not the one who wants to criticize you for your behavior. Only maybe the cause of your “be abandoned” is closer to alcoholism because of your own behavior – in the eyes of others you are “self guilt” in your condition.
…and so “seen” you have been helped in the end.
I wish you to find a way for you from 2025 – try to see you with the eyes of others You then develop understanding of their behavior.
Good for you.
Absolute unprofessional behaviour.
Every intern in the social field should know that addiction diseases also Diseases are .
Unbelievable such a statement!