Can you really not exercise on a vegan diet?

I've heard that vegans don't have enough energy to exercise properly because they lack animal protein. Is that true? I mean, plants aren't enough to build muscle, are they? How are vegans supposed to be strong enough to go to the gym without meat and dairy?

Does anyone have experience with this or can tell me whether vegans can even be athletic? I'm really skeptical.

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Daedalus723
8 months ago

“No sport” is exaggerated. However, globally speaking, the very strong correlation between meat eating and sports life falls: Thus, Americans, Australians, Spaniards, Argentineans, Brazilians, etc. have the world’s largest meat consumption. Sports life plays an enormous role in these peoples, especially in the fishing axes. In the 19th century, meat consumption in the UK was highest. But England is considered to be the motherland not only of football, but of modern sports life. Sports such as Cricket or Hockey have only been able to spread the British through their imperialism and associated cultural influence throughout the world.

In less meat-affinated cultures such as India or the Mohammedan world, sport plays a much less important role: India (1400 million inhabitants) has e.g. only 35 medals in Olympic games. A tiny country like Estonia, with only a million inhabitants, surpasses with its 44 medals the larger India populated by over a thousand times more people!

However, vegans always deny these obvious relationships. In her ideology, they deliberately close the eyes to reality. The fact is that there are few vegans and few vegetarians among the actual sportsmen, i.e. professionals. The vegan propaganda usually turns these facts. One example is football where vegans sometimes claim to be a star like Messi is vegan. This is nothing more than a plate lie:

https://fussball-deals.de/blog/welche-fussballer-sind-vegan/

The only ever vegan footballer that actually feeds in the long term is the German Benedikt Höwedes. But even for specific health reasons, he only started the vegan diet during his career. In principle, he built his body with the usual mixed food during the first two decisive decades of life.

This applies in fact to all alleged “vegans” athletes. The vegan propaganda wants to sell an Arnold Schwarzenegger as a “Veganer”. Apart from the fact that Schwarzenegger himself today, beyond the seventieth year of life, in truth no vegan, but only acts as a marketing figure for vegan ideology, this man has probably eaten in the course of his life the amount of meat that have consumed four average Americans, seven average Germans or eighty (!) average Indians. Its muscle-packed body was not built up by pineapple or red beds, not primarily by soy-isoleates, but by a high-protein, meat-reinforced diet that Blackenegger had to follow just as well as all the other bodybuilders and force athletes to have a chance to create such bodies.

The same is true for all vegan icons from the world of showbiz, sports and history. More than 99% of them are not natural vegans, usually not even vegetarians, but have fed their first two decades of life and usually also far beyond them more or less normal, i.e. also meaty, and are only at some point, often towards the end of their lives or their career, become vegans for marketing reasons or began to follow a plant-reinforced diet for special health reasons (like the mentioned Höwedes).

The vegan propaganda always mentions Armenian Patrik Baboumian as alleged “the strongest man in Germany”, who has staged himself publicly as an alleged vegan and has also written a book about it.

Facts check: Baboumian is neither the “most strong man in Germany” of all time (as the vegan propaganda usually implicitly implied to the uninformed audience in relation to Strongman competitions), nor was he vegan in his young years that are decisive for physical development. He has eaten normal at least in the first two decades of life, probably also with above-average proportions of meaty food, as is the rule for motor sportsmen of any kind. Even after his own statements, he has only been a vegan since 2011. This year we remember.

“The strongest man in Germany” is an annual competition, where in a variety of individual disciplines the strongest muscles of our country are struggling for titles and records. Since this sport is not broadcast on television and there are only a few experts who really know it, misrepresentations and propaganda are of course open to the goal and the Angel. To find out more about the rules of this sport, I refer to the page of the “German Federation of Strength Athletes”:

https://www.gfsa-online.de/

In fact, Baboumian in a single year (and 2011) won the overall win. Otherwise, he has only been able to win individual sub-disciplines or sub-competitions and set up various temporary records, which are now over-dated. Here is an overview of the winners in this competition since 1994:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A4rkster_Mann_Germany

At least Heinz Ollesch, Igor Werner, Andreas Altmann, Raffael Gordzielik and Dennis Kohlruss have brought the title more frequently than Baboumian.

Looking at the winners of the international Strongman winners, Baboumian’s name is missing. Instead we find loud Americans, Icelanders, Scandinavians, Poland and Baltics:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strongman

What are the 12,000 calories that the currently strongest man in the world, Brian Shaw, takes day by day, can be found in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQEJyjKTH9g

So, the sympathetic Shaw protein armor is far from being vegan, but only stuffs meat, cheese and eggs into it to keep the strength it needs for its extreme sport.

So you see: Things are distorted and disfigured until the desired result comes out and Baboumian can figure as a vegan muscle. In fact, Baboumian is simply one of many motor sportsmen who have previously built up their body through protein-rich, meat-reinforced diet and thus have gained success. In contrast to the world’s probably thousands of other professional motorsportsmen, Baboumian has discovered the vegan teaching for himself at the end of his career, after the peak of his success in 2011 and has since been reusing with this medien-reality. Among the German strongmen, however, since this time he has been acting strangely no longer…

So also Baboumian is a mogel vegan, a mere P.R. cook of vegan ideology. This, as mentioned, is more or less the case for all vegan athletes. Such people may be “real” as an athlete and worked hard for their success and of course have a corresponding genetic predisposition for them, but as “Vegans” they are what the Americans call a “fake”. –

In fact, the biological value of the animal protein is significantly higher than that of plant. In addition, there are much higher values and availability of absolutely crucial minerals for sporting life such as e.g. the iron, without which no hemoglobin can be formed, which transports oxygen to the muscle cells. The same applies to numerous other substances, only or, above all, in meat. One of them would be creatine, without which no muscle contraction is possible and which, by the way, also need brains and nerves.

The question of optimal sport nutrition is still controversial today. There are voices like the US american Dr. Shawn Baker, who, even in terms of performance, considers a purely fleshy (karnivore) diet to be the right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Tsw_D8E9g

I myself am not a follower of carnivorism. But he has his authority as a kind of antidote to veganism and it is certainly no coincidence that, unlike this, especially among athletes, there is so much interest. Basically, carnivorism is not much more than a specific form of keto nutrition that is also popular among some athletes. So today, especially in the USA, there is a growing number of athletes who rely on such a purely carnivorous diet:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-f-ing-love-meat-the-athletes-who-swear-by-the-carnivore-diet-20200604-p54zn7.html

All in all, it can be noted that most athletes feed on a mixed food that can also differ depending on the sport and individual. Especially in motor sports, meat-rich diet is certainly the first choice, while in sports where it is mainly about speed and skill, this is less compelling. If a lot of calories are burned, such as in endurance sports, then in the evening before competitions the intake of larger quantities of calories is necessary. Therefore, the well-known noodles of many sportsmen on such eve (seeds or fresh grains would, however, be healthier suppliers for the required strength). For the basic construction of a stable, strong body, however, meat food and eggs, partly also (raw) milk and their products, are in fact indispensable. I therefore end with the Council of an Englishman from the 19th Jh, how to make gentle boys men:

Meat and eggs and a spanking from time to time.

Daedalus723
8 months ago
Reply to  Daedalus723

Here, the objective advantages of vegan and carnivorous diet have been compared objectively:

https://genetic-maximum.de/ernaehrung/vorteile-veganismus-karnivorismus/

Maurice784
7 months ago
Reply to  Daedalus723

What’s that novel? He just wanted to know if vegans can build muscles due to the lack of proteins. The answer is jain, proteins and protein is that a and O. Calories are also very important.

Aylamanolo
8 months ago

I think I’ve heard that a vegan has gone along at the Tour de France. Whoever that was, I don’t know, it’ll be a helper. The food plans for these heavy cycling races are so sophisticated today, except for the grams that no giant meats are eaten. If anything.

The great Eddie Merckx was still riding bike races at a time when you had hardly any idea of proper nutrition. He fed a big steak with mirror eggs 2 hours before a race. Nutritionists today would fade.

Jens Voigt, the former Tour de France driver and now TV commentator once said that if Jonas Vingegaard had dinners for Christmas, he would certainly only eat salad.

So I can imagine that someone like Jonas could also be vegan. I don’t think so. He bites what the nutritionist of his team tells him.

Tadej is no one. I’ve never seen him bite in a steak before, but I’ve been in fish. And above all sawy sweet stuff. There are a lot of photos.

Bodhgaya
8 months ago

There is a website where the largest vegan athletes and athletes are presented. Some of them are very successful. Just look here: https://www.greatveganathletes.com/

There is also a Netflix documentation that includes Arnold Schwarzenegger > James Cameron was produced. See here: The Game Changers https://g.co/kgs/Xr68bsj

And yes, there are also people who are vegan from birth and can make sports. most prominent example is the bodybuilder Jehina Malik:

There is no substance important for survival or muscle build-up that is only in the flesh. All substances can also be found elsewhere and/or synthesized by the body itself.

I mean, plants aren’t enough to build muscles, right?

This is not entirely true. Vitamin B12 you only find on plants and not in them. But by artificial feeding, that’s not a problem. As a rule, high-performance athletes who eat meat also lead artificially, for example creatine.

Aylamanolo
8 months ago
Reply to  Bodhgaya

since when are these bohybuilders athletes?

HikoKuraiko
8 months ago
Reply to  Aylamanolo

Since when does kraft training count what kind of bodybuilding does not belong to sport? Apart from that there are also athletes from other areas that feed on vegans and absolutely no problem have to build and maintain muscles.

HikoKuraiko
8 months ago

It’s such a squirted bullshit. Of course, as a vegan, you have enough strength to also drive sports and build enough strength for your muscles. Proteins are also sufficiently contained in pure vegetable food.

So you can forget what you wrote quickly. Apart from that one of the strongest people, the strongest one, is a vegan. And is also very many people who run bodybuilding even though they are vegan. So because of no strength and zero muscles build up is really the biggest bullshit. Because this is absolutely no problem with a vegan diet or lifestyle

Aylamanolo
8 months ago
Reply to  HikoKuraiko

Since when are bodybuilders athletes? They have zero stamina.

HikoKuraiko
8 months ago
Reply to  Aylamanolo

Since when does kraft training count what kind of bodybuilding does not belong to sport? Apart from that there are also athletes from other areas that feed on vegans and absolutely no problem have to build and maintain muscles.

It was primarily about the question whether you can build muscles. Perseverance has nothing to do with whether you eat vegan or not. Just like muscle building has nothing to do with whether you eat vegan or not. Meaning as a vegan you can, of course, drive sports and have strength training as endurance training without loss. At least if you do it right

Honeysuckle18
8 months ago

Google once after “Vegane Athletes” – on many blogs and pages you are (in this respect) taught of a better one, but something of…;)

TCRhammerhai
8 months ago

Of course you can. Own experience

Muktamani
8 months ago

I think you could handle it like that. Just my thoughts.

https://utopia.de/news/ist-ja-kein-kreuzzug-ralf-moeller-nicht-100-percent-vegan/

Honeysuckle18
8 months ago
Reply to  Muktamani

Could one – but it goes completely vegan…;)

Muktamani
8 months ago
Reply to  Honeysuckle18

Yes, of course.

But I don’t think I’m so bad about a more relaxed attitude on the subject.

Honeysuckle18
8 months ago

;

Muktamani
8 months ago

That’s it. 👍

Honeysuckle18
8 months ago

I understand that the questioner does not live vegan – or is quite sporty…;)

Vegan athletes will know that it is also completely vegan possible to provide maximum performance – that must be enough to the FS!

maja0403
8 months ago

That’s nonsense. I know enough sporty vegans without symptoms. However, they also know what they do when it comes to nutrition.
If I exclude meat, etc., and then also many vegetable protein carriers, such as legumes, for example, it is indeed difficult.

Ruzzzzzzzz
8 months ago

That’s not true.

There are many vegan athletes and bodybuilders.

I live vegan and could build more muscle mass through strength training.

In addition, not only animal foods give us energy, otherwise everything else should not have any calories.

Devoid8
8 months ago

That’s all bullshit. There are enough vegan professionals who prove the opposite.

I myself have no interest in sport, but my colleague has just walked over 100 km the other day. He’s been vegan for years…

Daedalus723
8 months ago
Reply to  Devoid8

Have these “vegan professional athletes” lived their first two decades of life vegan? Or at least more than 0.1% of these supposedly “vegan professional athletes”?

Or is the “veganism” of these athletes not rather a well-paid P.R. action after completed career? –

pony
8 months ago

I think ralf möller doesn’t eat any animal products.

Ralf Moeller – Wikipedia

so will probably work with the sport.

Daedalus723
8 months ago
Reply to  pony

Facts check after source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralf_Moeller

Ralf Moeller (also Ralph Moeller) * 12. January 1959 as Ralf Rudolf Möller in Recklinghausen) is a German actor, former bodybuilder and Mr. Universe.

[…]

Ralf Moeller since about 2018 on a predominantly vegan diet and makes itself publicly strong for rethinking to a healthy and plant-based diet.

Ergo: Moeller has almost 60 years of his life not vegan food, so his entire sports career through.

Aylamanolo
8 months ago
Reply to  pony

Bodybuilding is not a sport.

frostfeuer85
8 months ago

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_bekannter_Veganer

So much for that…

This man has been eating vegan since 2004.

Daedalus723
8 months ago
Reply to  frostfeuer85

Over 99% of these people are not life-long vegans, usually not even vegetarians, but have nourished their first two decades of life, and usually far beyond, more or less normal, i.e. also meat-like, and are only at some point, often towards the end of their lives or their careers, for marketing reasons, become vegans or began to follow a plant-reinforced diet for special health reasons. Here only the factual checks on some of the alleged “vegetarians” or “vegans” from sports and history:

https://fussball-deals.de/blog/welche-fussballer-sind-vegan/

https://www.mashed.com/717417/why-tom-brady-says-hes-only-80-vegan/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWcGXFhSuVk

https://www.slobodenpecat.mk/de/nikola-tesla-veruval-deka-ovoj-pojadok-mu-dava-sila-na-78-godini-se-chuvstvuval-kako-momche/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

https://www.greelane.com/de/geistswissenschaften/bildungs-kunst/was-leonardo-a-vegetarian-183277

https://raawi.de/albert-einstein-vegetarier

Bodhgaya
8 months ago
Reply to  Daedalus723

Yes, because the phenomenon of veganism is quite new… At that time there were hardly any recipes and information.

zocker0796
8 months ago

Look at horses….

Muktamani
8 months ago
Reply to  zocker0796

Best answer!

zocker0796
8 months ago
Reply to  Muktamani

Thank you. All meat comes from vegans

Honeysuckle18
8 months ago
Reply to  zocker0796

Fail – Horses are among the so-called “Herbivores”…

I think you troll…;)

pony
8 months ago

wrong.

chickens and pigs are, for example, omnivor.

Kugelflitz
8 months ago

Surely they can, at least normal sports. Competition-oriented vegans do not exist, either lying or they make it for a very short time.

Bodhgaya
8 months ago
Reply to  Kugelflitz

Where did you get that info?

Kugelflitz
8 months ago
Reply to  Bodhgaya

Vegans (former) athletes.

Bodhgaya
8 months ago

How would they like to know that all vegans are lying to make sports?