„Jemand, der/die“ – ergibt es Sinn, so zu gendern?

„Jemand“ ist geschlechtsneutral und steht dann mit maskulinem Relativpronomen.

Ist es grammatisch möglich, auch ein weiblich dekliniertes Relativpronomen nach „jemand“ zu verwenden oder beide Versionen (wie im Fragetitel)?

Was sagen Studien dazu? Ist es belegt, ob „jemand, der …“ mit Männern assoziiert wird, obwohl es ja eigentlich geschlechtsneutral ist?

Danke!

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Alleine4ever
1 year ago

I can understand the question, but I am also very disappointed.

The geneus of a word has NOT to do with the being or object to be written.

You can say to a man, “You” and to a woman, “He” for these words did not set the sex of the person.

“There she is, the person who… *shows a man*”

In terms of language, you mean “they” and “he” often a man or a woman, but also because people do not complete their sentences.

Compared to the English language, the German language is not bound to reality but only to its own grammar rules.

At the same time, the use of words like “teacher” is a misleading and a proof of the incope of people.

Our language has words that people describe on the basis of activity. The word ‘teacher’ is one of them.

It describes a person, not a man who works as a teacher. Then why do most people use it? Because they don’t understand how the genus works and they might think this word would help female people give a stage.

Rather, it limits women and men even more, and there are many formulation problems.

“She is the best student in class” If we assume that “student” is aimed only at female persons and “students” only at male, then as here the problem is that we only involve female persons with this sentence and it is possible that a male student is better the female student.

If a person says, “My father is a police officer” and Ina says, “I’d like to be a police officer,” Ina is quite stupid… because the father is not a police officer, so Ina can’t be a police officer. People must understand that the genus can be completely encapsulated by reality and NOT brought together with reality.

You usually learn this at school.

Long speech, short sense. Because “Jemand” is masculine you can’t use “the” but only “heer”.

Alleine4ever
1 year ago
Reply to  Alleine4ever

Long speech, short sense. Because “the one” is masculine you can’t use “the” but only “he””. But if someone is used as a predicative, so as here:

, “The person is someone, …” then one uses the genus of the subject, so “the

spanferkel14
1 year ago
Reply to  Alleine4ever

No, it doesn’t work like that!

  • A person is someone who…
  • Someone is a person who…
  • A man / a man is a person who …
  • A person / a woman is a person who …
  • A person / a woman / a man / a man is an individual who …
  • A person etc. is a living entity that …

By the way, it is the Genus! The Enjoyment is masculine, so the Enjoy.

spanferkel14
8 months ago

It is not about winning, it is about what is correct.

A baker is

  • someone who Bread and cake baked.
  • a man who Bread and cuddly baked.
  • a person who Bread and cake baked.
  • a poor luder that must get up when other people sleep.
Alleine4ever
8 months ago

? No plan for what it’s about, but you won 🤝

spanferkel14
8 months ago

No, in the first sentence you have: A person is someone who/of the/over the … etc.

Alleine4ever
8 months ago

Perfect! But then it is no longer about someone, but about the subject person or human or being.

jort93
1 year ago

“Anyone who” is wrong, even if that’s a woman.

From a technical point of view, the “man” comes into someone probably from “man”, but that is used for all people (like “anybody”).

Foxy13
1 year ago

A set like ‘Jemand driving the car’ is grammatically wrong.

Personally, I think it’s good that you want to make everyone visible, but I think you should at least keep the grammar.

On the subject of gender, I am also against things like pupils, but rather for things like pupils.

It is possible to exaggerate it with circumstance

Lunaa333
11 months ago

According to Duden, “someone who” is allowed, and that is all my language!

https://www.duden.de/legislation/jemand
“She is someone who…”

spanferkel14
8 months ago
Reply to  Lunaa333

I can’t. The Duden probably crawls the genderists in the ass.

latricolore, UserMod Light

No.

Someone who…

is just as wrong

A person who…

Alleine4ever
1 year ago
Reply to  Caurus

Because “the one” is masculine you can’t use “the” but only “he””. But if someone is used as a predicative, so as here:

, “The person is someone who …” then one uses the genus of the subject, so “the”, because of, “Person”

latricolore, UserMod Light
Reply to  Caurus

I say I never use it that way. And still will not use.

I know someone, the has a yellow car.

She’s someone, the is good to help.

Someone is male, and the relative pronoun refers to someone.

spanferkel14
1 year ago

Nonsense! 😉 “Jemand” originally comes from the neutrum (so “someone different” or “someone foreign”), but otherwise “someone” is masculine and not feminum, even if Dr. Bopp “someone who” is considered to be an unusual but not false form. But Dr. Bopp is just as little as the Duden is a language legislator. We do not have this in the German-speaking countries. There are always some controversial cases where German specialists occasionally have to keep an eye on them.

Pudelskern666
1 year ago

And precisely because of such inconsistencies, gender is unusable, woke garbage.

Alleine4ever
1 year ago
Reply to  Caurus

This has nothing to do with genders.

Kaenguruh
1 year ago
Reply to  Caurus

Gender is generally grammatically impossible so wrong!

Pudelskern666
1 year ago
Reply to  Caurus

Gendern is incompatible with German grammar – especially with singular forms. Gendern is unsystematic and inconsistent and therefore linguistically unreasonable.

Kaenguruh
1 year ago

That’s what I meant not! I meant this apron and stem that destroys the flow of speech and chops everything.

Anna5050
1 year ago

You could say, “one who…” instead of “one.” If you want to.

Alleine4ever
1 year ago
Reply to  Anna5050

You should complete the sentence.

“She’s a person who” would be wrong.

Why do we have noms if you don’t use them?

Anna5050
1 year ago
Reply to  Alleine4ever

If you want to have a nom on it, then “You/He is a person who,.” You can leave it in a language, “He is one who…” “She is one who…”

Alleine4ever
1 year ago

Genus does not describe the gloom of a person.

The fairy is not in real female and not only men have a head. (head)

It has something to do with the question, because the questioner has wondered if there is a female form for “Jemand” and this is due to the fact that she, the person who asked the question, has no idea of the grammar.

Alleine4ever
1 year ago

“You, the woman, is a person who works as a tooth fairy”

I guess you don’t know about grammar rules.

Anna5050
1 year ago

So the last sentence of this is now complete bullshit. The son isn’t female. And this discussion is now totally over to the original question. Also doubt that the questioner is still involved, the question is 4 months old. All right.

Alleine4ever
1 year ago

You can’t use a personal pronoun without calling the subject that it’s trying to replace.

That’s Max. He’s a person who.”

simply, “He is a person who.” naturally makes sense but that’s why it’s actually not correct.

“He, the man, is a person who.”

otherwise you had to use “the person” is female.

“She is a person who is the son of the family…”

ethan227
1 year ago

With indefinite pronouns you should always write this as “the “. Although you write a woman about it, it’s still wrong.

The correct description is: ” Someone who … ” and not ” someone who … “.