Ist es sinnvoll Druck zu machen, sich in eine Therapie zu begeben, wenn ein Freund immer stärkere Depressionen und Ängste hat und im Job überfordert ist?
Ich kenne ihn 7 J.
Als ich ihn kennenlernte, erzählte er, daß er ADHS und extreme Minderwertigkeitskomplexe hat. Durch seine Erziehung hat er viel Kritik und Leistungsdruck erfahren und fühlt sich zunehmend als der Loser, der für keinen gut genug ist und nur Kritik erfährt.
Über die Jahre zeigte er riskantes Sexualverhalten außerhalb seiner langjährigen Beziehung, die auch nach 15 Jahren zerbrach.
Direkt nach der Trennung hielt er es alleine im Haus nicht aus und lebte wochenlang bei seinem Kumpel und dessen Frau, suchte wahllos Anerkennung bei fremden Frauen und kämpfte parallel um die Ex, während er schon eine neue Partnerin nach 45 Tagen hatte und dazu die exzessiven Online Kontakte und Kontakt zu seiner ehemaligen F+.
Er wechselte seit 2017 drei mal den Job, weil er überfordert und ausgelaugt war und den Anforderungen nicht gerecht wurde.
Dennoch arbeitet er bis zum Umfallen, um das, was er innerhalb der Arbeitszeit nicht schaffte, aufzuholen und klagt seit 2021 über ein zunehmendes Burn Out.
Während das Haus, in dem er mit der Ex wohnte, noch zum Verkauf stand, wurde bereits ein nagelneues Haus mit der neuen Partnerin gebaut, dazu einmal klein und 9 Monate später groß mit 120 Leuten die Hochzeit gefeiert, während er noch in der Probezeit ist und bereits jetzt wieder überfordert ist.
Es wurde eine teure Designer Küche angeschafft und ein neues Auto.
Dazu soll jetzt auch noch ein Hund her.
Er zieht sich seit April extrem zurück, schildert Überforderung, Angst in Bezug auf Geld, pausenlos Gedankenkarussell ob das mit Haus, Job und Geld so klappt.
Er zieht sich extrem vor Freunden zurück, sagt kurzfristig Verabredungen ab, die schon lange geplant sind, lacht nicht mehr, schläft extrem viel.
Er sagt, an manchen Tagen ist ihm alles egal und er lässt lange Freundschaften sterben indem er den Leuten nicht mehr antwortet.
Dazu kommen Probleme mit Krankheiten und Todesfällen in seinem direkten Umfeld. Sein bester Freund ist kürzlich tödlich verunglückt aufgefunden worden, nachdem er 1 Monat vermisst war.
Eine Therapie hat er die Jahre über immer abgelehnt. Er könne das nicht.
Er entschuldigt sich bei mir (beste Freundin), dass er zuletzt so kalt war und sich nicht mehr meldet.
Er habe täglich Hochs und Tiefs und Phasen der Gleichgültigkeit, auch Freunden gegenüber.
Er wolle dies super gerne ändern, aber wisse nicht wie.
Man sieht, dass er nur noch fertig ist, alle Hobbies aufgibt und nur noch grübelt und sich zermürbt. Er hat auch 15 kg zugenommen und hat Bluthochdruck und 4 Unfälle wegen Unachtsamkeit in den letzten 4 Jahren gehabt, mit Kapselriss, Knochenbrüche und einem ausgeschlagen Zahn.
Ich habe jetzt einen Therapeuten in seiner Nähe gefunden (15 min von der Arbeit), der Kapazität hat, auf ADHS und Trauma spezialisiert ist, auch Diagnosen stellen kann und eng mit einem Psychiater zusammen arbeitet. Er hat selbst ADHS und kann sich einführen.
Arbeitet auch nachmittags und per Zoom.
Ich habe ihm das vorgeschlagen (per WhatsApp) und ihm Infos über ADHS, Depressionen und Mediktion und Therapie geschickt.
Auch versucht, ihn anzurufen, aber er wich den Anrufen aus.
Schrieb” ja, möchte die Hilfe aber heute ist echt schlecht”.
Würdet Ihr dran bleiben und versuchen, ihn davon zu überzeugen und ihn weiter aufzuklären?
Die Infos über ADHS und Depressionen und über Medikinet hat er bisher gar nicht geöffnet.
Es kann aber auch nicht so weiter gehen.
Er ist unglaublich sensibel und verletzlich und hat sich bisher gar nicht damit befasst, was ADHS genau ist und wie das alles im Gehirn abläuft.
Auch was Psychologie betrifft, hat er kein Vorwissen. Für ihn ist das bisher nur Pandoras Box.
Seine Frau ruft laufend besorgt bei seinen Eltern an, macht aber ansonsten bei dieser ganzen teuren Anschaffungen mit und möchte jetzt noch einen Hund anschaffen. Urlaub machen sie auch nur punktuell, da er meint, die Firma sei sonst sauer.
Macht es Sinn, da Druck zu machen, dass er eine Therapie testet oder sollte man ihn einfach in sein Loch weiter rein fallen lassen?
Ich finde nicht, dass ihm diese unglaublichen Geldausgaben für Designerküche, Hund samt Welpenschule, neue Auto (Zweitwagen), 2. Hochzeitsfeier mit 120 Gästen gut tun, wenn er noch in der Probezeit ist und sich erneut im Job unwohl fühlt und wegen Geld Angstattacken hat.
Wenn ich mich im Job nicht wohl fühle und nach der Probezeit nochmal was Neues suchen müsste, hätte ich bei den Unkosten auch Angst.
Mir kommt das fast schon bipolar vor und ich verstehe nicht, warum man das als Partner so laufen läßt und diese immensen Ausgaben forciert.
Stattdessen werden seine Eltern angerufen, die viel von dem Druck und den Problemen erst in der Kindheit aufgebaut haben.
Eine Therapie muß man wollen, das ist klar..Für mich sieht es aber düster aus, wenn er keine macht.
7J. wachsende Depressionen finde ich zu lange, zumal sie jetzt über Monate anhalten.
Soll ich weiter Überzeugungsarbeit leisten oder es lassen?
Durch eine Therapie würde er auch im Beruf besser klar kommen. Bin kein Therapeut, aber das ist alles ungut.
I’m insecure, he sees you as a conversation partner, a trustee, and perhaps a therapist, and doesn’t want to go to a settled therapist.
Let’s say you wouldn’t make the gesorächs offer anymore, he would be in a different seatation that would make more suffering pressure and might convince him to be a theraoie.
This is not supposed to mean that you should not be available to him for further talks.
A certain pressure- suffering pressure is necessary for insight into a therapy.
If you still have the power, you continue to work on conviction.
Good luck.
Thank you for the ⭐, I am very happy for you
No pressure. If, then strengthen and well serve.
That he can make that you understand how hard it is, but he could try. An expert talk.
That you’d support him, accompany him if that helps him. And he can always turn to you.
That he doesn’t open the files means he’s not so far.
In addition, starting a therapy does not mean, in a few months everything will be better. Can even get worse.
When the job is gone, he’s clinging to.
Most of them go into therapy for years. She helps, but she does not cause miracles.
And you can’t force anyone. You have to accept that. Even if it’s not good.
The neighbor my mother was an alcoholic. Your own parents have been at the forefront and they support her always bringing her food, even if she is often malicious to others. She often took the sick car, who could only tell her she needs a stationary therapy.
It went a few years, she barely ate something, just drunk. Recently, police and everything were outside the door, she fell down the stairs and broke the neck.
I offered him to attend the first session, what would be a 260 km ride for me or to wait outside for him.
At his age, he should know where the border is and when his powers end – and as it sounds, he falls sooner or later and then has to see how he gets back on his feet and who helps him – such a situation is initially bitter, but she can also help you to reorder life, sort people (family, woman…?) and sort himself again. Often this is a great opportunity at second glance, but just at second glance.
What’s important is that he knows you’re here for him and that’s what he’s doing. That’s what you can tell him, but it doesn’t work anymore – everything else he has to deal with himself.
You removed all the obstacles, that was very good. But he has to be prepared by himself to do a therapy, otherwise it doesn’t. So let it be good. Apparently he has to fall deeper.
Apparently, he continues to stress and has no time for his health. Like the last few years.
This is often so in people who tend to escape. But he has to understand that he has to change something.
That wouldn’t do anything, especially because he thinks it’s bullshit anyway, but that could be an excuse. Maybe he would be willing to do a therapy, but need the safety that is all funded. Because a therapy does not go 6 weeks and then everything is good again. I’ve been in treatment for over 30 years and my patients also have 10 years on the hump. It doesn’t involve an employer and the job would definitely be gone. To make this realistic. You can also not say health is going on and he falls into a debt trap because costs are not covered. That would also happen if he loses his job, but maybe he needs more security as what goes on while he’s in therapy.
Where does he think this is bullshit? He just doesn’t know about it.
Just DESHALB this special therapist who, as I wrote, also works in the afternoon and works by zoom. He can do that inconspicuously next to work.
What is the alternative? Stay in a job he doesn’t pack for ADHD? Is the employer more enthusiastic and the job safe? Do you have ADHS? Many can work better with Ritalin.
The employer doesn’t care about it, he’ll be canceled, or so, if he falls out longer and he’ll be out for a long time with therapy. He can go to the crisis for 6 weeks, but there’s no therapy, that’s just stabilising. Make a vacation and get some rest. But don’t do anything if he’s exposed to the same. If he thinks that’s Pandora’s box, that doesn’t sound convincing to me. It is said so simple, but do therapy like a house and something is paid off or apartment open bills etc. Who takes him that fear? I want him to sit on the sofa and talk about problems, and at home everything goes down the brook. Is also not beneficial to health
Yeah, he thinks it could happen, so he doesn’t.
With private therapy in a psychotherapist who works in the afternoon, he is NOT out! You don’t know what it is. He has not stopped ADHD.. that can be treated in practice.
What you say, sorry, is inappropriate. There’s nothing going down the brook. He thinks it could happen!!
It probably doesn’t make sense. Last try to excrete pressure (you ask 8 times after a meeting which wasn’t even properly made) led to a rejection, but one week before he could act with a friend athletic, that should give you more thought, even the fact that he doesn’t even react to a call from you.
You don’t like his wife, that’s quite clear. But maybe you should encourage him to open up to his wife.
He’s got money after you say, a therapy doesn’t cost much. If he doesn’t even manage to talk to his wife, how is he supposed to be strangers.
The man is very early in bed every day, sometimes he is online all night, but he couldn’t write to you.
The man is now married there is that life is different, building a house costs money and nerves, a lot of time, but he finds time for friends, maybe for you not at least not as you would like.
And whether his wife calls to his parents without pause, or you speculate about his wife without pause, the difference is not really great.
In the end, it probably doesn’t matter if you ask here for the xten time, if you don’t understand what advice he’d do.
It doesn’t leave you alone, but he can’t even open up your information, he told you it’s all about his problem and he’s getting back with you.
Whether it makes sense to keep sending him stuff.
No, he’s got SEINER statement for thought carousel for money.
And no, he wasn’t online at night anymore. He’s as good as not online anymore and when I called him, he was obviously at work in a merger.
It was also lunchtime.
Everyone thinks about money at some point. And yet he could talk to his wife first. With the call yes he was of course in the meeting, with phones was always a problem with you.
What do you want from me now? I tried to get there spontaneously during working hours and he was in the meeting. Where’s your problem?
He can’t even talk to his wife about sexual needs. And YES, he says that. And not about female friends. Not just about me.
What do you expect for help? She bakes him cake when he goes bad and sees that he participates in all her hobbies after he gave up all his.
And no, he has hardly any time for other friends. Do I know the man or you?
If you don’t care about his wife, don’t always ask her. He is, however, not in a position to conduct profound conversations with his wife, which is burdening him. And it doesn’t matter if lunch was called or not.
It was DAYS. He also talks to his wife without my involvement, why should I ask him to do it?
She’ll call his parents. Or invite the whole house with friends and look for a new dog.
The expensive kitchen was also her wish. Most of the money he put in there. What do I have to do with her?
In short: No.
Do you know how to get in there? Besides, he obviously has a partner. “Convinced work” = printing = bad idea. But nice of you to worry.
I’m quite worried. Yes, his partner is part of the problem, since then he spends so much money and since then it goes extremely downhill instead of uphill.
He thinks because of his inferiority complexes, you have to offer something because the man is the woman’s knight. This gives rise to immense expenditure.
The kitchen is with illuminated panoramic photo in the background etc. And he in the trial period, with several loans.
Yeah, sry, that was from me a little bit beyond the target. I can’t really judge it remotely. It was just my rock print.
He wanted this friendship specifically because he said he could trust me. If I want to go, he’ll stop me or watch where I am.
I see. Still, I think that’s not your beer. You can only be there, no more. It helps the most.
By the way, I think it’s terrible if you want to “force” jmdn for therapy. He must have his reasons and limitations. Apparently it is not possible for him. But “you’re not in it.” I know it from the other side, so as a person concerned, that I have invested an infinite amount of energy to explain things to people. Why is something like that? That’s all his story. But I had to learn that all these words don’t use anything. No matter how good people meant it to me.
I want to say, you probably don’t understand him, but this is, of course, not a accusation, but the world in which everyone lives is so individual that it is not so comprehensible from outside, despite all empathy. More, less. But if you’re there for him as a contact person, that’s definitely great.
You can’t put them in a psychiatry without a doctor’s letter!
He shouldn’t be in a psychiatry, but he could become a free therapist in a private practice. Also on the question
Making pressure is more counterproductive here, it is already under pressure
So you do something instead? Let it run like that?
Yes, as long as he doesn’t realize wanting to do therapy, you can talk your mouth fussy. Take a distance and don’t worry about having to help him. He’s grown up and has to take care of himself.
Talking unclearly discussing without making pressure is certainly not easy, but it would help him
Can I understand, but the willingness to do something should come from him
I’m not.
But if you put it under pressure, it’s not helpful
This can also end in the suicide. My mother also had severe depression and 3x tried to kill herself. Of course, you’re tensed with something like that.
Leave him some time, he’ll get back to him when he gets better
I wanted to, he suggested something himself and then was abrupt transmission break. Because something new happened in his life again. The construction site is not finished and the father-in-law got Alzheimer’s.
The meeting was canceled two days before I was asked 8 times. He stays away.
You’ll have to take advantage of this and do something positive with him.
He usually reports when the depressions are flattering, then it goes a few weeks, he plans new activities and then it goes downhill again.
Do you have to be patient, let him take time
He’s even talking too much and he’s tying himself extremely, hardly reacting to friends, isolating himself.