Is there any way to get my tax identification number faster than requesting it, since that takes months and I really need it urgently?
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We’re in the local civil office. There you go, pay 10€ and get them printed immediately.
Take a look at the site of your resident community and make an appointment.
With us (BaWü), this goes to the tax office. Does the civil office have it in the system?
However, the staff member has clearly violated the provision of OFD Karlsruhe and has violated § 6 StIDVO if he has done it with you.
OFD Karlsruhe of 16.11.2022 S-2378/95-St 146, FMNR202202537 No. 2nd edition and communication IdNr.
The OFD thus clearly states that this is not allowed by the staff in the tax office, but that is a task of the BZSt. Otherwise, the whole questioning procedure would also be useless if the financial authorities were responsible for this.
Anyone with access to the reporting data can request the query. That’s why they’re not allowed to pass on.
Yes, we in the area can see them, so probably all the bigger ones at least.
Yes. To the holder of the number if this person pronounces and proves himself.
It is practiced everywhere.
PS: If there is an administrative rule “the BZSt is competent” you interpret it “it is to do this to the tax office BEI STRAFE VERBOTEN”?
Where is that with the ban and punishment? In what legal text?
Okay can happen.
However, a small fact is still at the end: the reporting authorities can inform the data concerned as part of their obligation to do so. So also the tax ID.
This is also confirmed by the BZSt.
Whether they offer it as a service is another thing.
My original answer did not go to you at all, but to soireedure about his statement that this goes to the tax office.
That’s why he/she was also linked to @.
I’ve confused you with him/her and I still thought it was about the information at the tax office.
What exactly do you want to do with it now? I’m not saying that it’s making an employee secret, but that the communities offer it.
Why should the FS not use the offer?
And then servants are punished. I’ve experienced that someone has been degraded for a grade because he has violated the instructions that he can’t.
Your opinion does not change the reality that there are disciplinary procedures for this.
The fastest is he asking his parents. They already used their ID for the child benefit application and received the letter after his birth.
And yet this service is offered. Your opinion is beautiful and good, but does not change the reality and quick remedy for the FS
It came relatively fast with me. Much faster than announced.
Yes, you will give you the letter that your parents have received right after your birth for you. (The first letter in your life). The tax identification number was notified to you.
Your tax ID needed your parents for the child benefit application. So they must have your tax ID too.
He probably does not have this letter (more?). Otherwise he wouldn’t ask the question.
They sent your parents after your birth.
OK thank you
Go to the next branch of the tax office.
Go to the opening hours, draw number, go to the switch, instruct you (perso, passport) and ask the staff.
They can get you the number out of the system. Either they print them out, or you write them up.
It’s the fastest way.
Nein. Das Finanzamt ist für die Vergabe und Mitteilung der Steuer-ID nicht zuständig, sondern das Bundeszentralamt für Steuern. Das Finanzamt vergibt nur eine Steuernummer, aber nicht die Steueridentifikationsnummer. Das sind 2 verschiedene Nummern.
Hier einmal die Unterschiede zwischen beiden Nummern:
Steueridentifikationsnummer:
Steuernummer:
Das Finanzamt darf überhaupt nicht die Steuer-ID mitteilen. Macht das ein Mitarbeiter im Finanzamt verstößt er gegen Dienstvorschriften. Das kann auch zu entsprechenden Disziplinarverfahren bei dem Bediensteten führen. Die Rechtslage ist da eindeutig:
§ 6 Abs. 1 Steueridentifikationsnummer Verordnung (gilt als VO logischerweise bundesweit):
Oder auch nochmal spezifischer für NRW VO-Kartei NW § 249 AO Karte 5 Nr. 1 S. 2:
OFD Karlsruhe vom 16.11.2022 S-2378/95-St 146, FMNR202202537 Nr. 2 “Vergabe und Mitteilung der IdNr.”:
No, it wasn’t asked for the tax ID.
And every half-way friendly employee of a tax office gives the information.
Of course there are exceptions, apparently in your tax office.
Nonsens, is this supposed to justify a disciplinary procedure????????
Very well brought, honestly.
Again, there is a difference between
Do you have a document for the latter, don’t you?
Of course, the tax office is not responsible and can say “Nö, don’t have a bump, go somewhere else.” It’s rude to the citizen, but you could do it. You could also be nice and read the number you see on the screen.
That Letzeres “for punishment” to be forbidden, I still consider to be extremely destructive. At any rate, until you give me proof of the gear.
Oh, no. Then can we finish the discussion?
This is due to the lack of competence.
Whether you believe it or not there is no law in which the following points are in it:
All this is nowhere explicit in the law. So can the Treasury do all this now because it has not been specifically banned as its own law? Of course not. I hope you’ll agree with me, won’t you?
That is precisely why the tax office must not pass on the tax ID. Because it is not responsible for this, but by order the BZSt. And that is clear that the responsibility is there, that is, not the tax office.
However, in what order of the service owner is that it prohibited the tax ID Owner to inform you that proves?
I’m not talking about the transfer to unauthorized third parties.
You cite texts in which it is primarily the task of the BZSt. That’s right.
In what text, however, is that this action prohibited by the tax office have you been? Please quote the specific text passage.
I really care.
§ 47 para. 1 p. 1 :
In order to take an exemplary national disciplinary law, § 2 para. 1 p. 1 NDiszG:
Every official knows that officials have to comply with the regulations of their servants and is also listed in Section 35 of the Civil Code:
Thank you for your contribution. Apparently, we have to deal with the type of tax officer who wants to make life as difficult as possible for the citizen, counts every rosin and considers the citizen as a rightless bitemaker.
German authorities should be there for the citizen who finances them. A little more service, please. The citizen is “customer”.
Where is it that is forbidden to the tax office in punishment?
As a Diplom-Financialist in the dual study for the Financial Office at the University of Applied Sciences for Public Administration
§ 6 StIDV and the individual national regulations.
I understand
Here I can repeat myself:
What degree? What university? What legal basis?
It is not about the transfer to unauthorized third parties.
On the person himself, with Perso or passport.
What law should this prohibit?
And every halfway neat leader, a disciplinary procedure for the failure of service
In my brother’s financial office, someone was asked to do so in a disciplined manner and degraded a grade. I have also worked in two different financial offices because of a private transfer and know some other servants. This is the same for the colleagues I studied with who are still working in financial offices.
We have even been pointed out to the fact that we are not allowed to pass on this.
If you work, you got a payroll card. That’s what she says.
There have been no pay tax cards issued since Aeons.
That’s the mean. But taxes still give, right? ♂️
I am still minor (12)
Then your parents got a letter with this number after your birth.
Pay tax cards have been abolished, and I suspect that you are the social security funds. mean (it used to actually stand on the LSt card).
Tax ID is on the pay bill. You can’t get it until you first work.
No the tax ID is sent to you directly after birth since 2008.
Only the SV number is obtained when you first work (social insurance).
See my comment elsewhere. Let’s go a Discuss.
It does not bring the same contribution three times to copy pastes.
I have already mentioned the regulations that only the BZSt is allowed to share this:
And now for punishment:
§ 47 para. 1 p. 1 :
In order to take an exemplary national disciplinary law, § 2 para. 1 p. 1 NDiszG:
Every official knows that officials have to comply with the regulations of their servants and is also listed in Section 35 of the Civil Code:
Where is that? Please quote the exact text passage. The paragraphs you link do not give it to you.
Says the one who can’t even read exactly that the tax office is not allowed to report the tax ID.
“The” referred to the wage bill.
You should read more.
The objection has also been to the sentence
The tax ID is available directly after birth and not only when you first work
Why “No”?
It’s not a contradiction. However, the questioner obviously does not have both, so he does not have any reference to the two letters.
Actually, the banks can determine it themselves.
Ever asked your parents? They have your tax ID. since your birth…
Greetings siola55
Why is this months? Make an appointment with the tax office and is good. Or are you more recently dressed? (because it doesn’t take months)
This costs and it takes 8 weeks to get it back on the website
You seem to be part of it or misunderstand. Of course, it doesn’t cost to ask or apply for his tax ID (or if you are more qualified you will automatically receive 1-2 weeks after registration in the registration office)
nein. Das Finanzamt ist für die Vergabe der Steuer-ID nicht zuständig, sondern das Bundeszentralamt für Steuern. Das Finanzamt vergibt nur eine Steuernummer, aber nicht die Steueridentifikationsnummer. Das sind 2 verschiedene Nummern.
Hier einmal die Unterschiede zwischen beiden Nummern:
Steueridentifikationsnummer:
Steuernummer:
Das Finanzamt darf überhaupt nicht die Steuer-ID mitteilen. Macht das ein Mitarbeiter im Finanzamt verstößt er gegen Dienstvorschriften. Das kann auch zu entsprechenden Disziplinarverfahren bei dem Bediensteten führen. Die Rechtslage ist da eindeutig:
§ 6 Abs. 1 Steueridentifikationsnummer Verordnung (gilt als VO logischerweise bundesweit):
Oder auch nochmal spezifischer für NRW VO-Kartei NW § 249 AO Karte 5 Nr. 1 S. 2:
OFD Karlsruhe vom 16.11.2022 S-2378/95-St 146, FMNR202202537 Nr. 2 “Vergabe und Mitteilung der IdNr.”:
Who said “forgiving”? It’s about Share.
The citizen has no access to the data of the BZSt. The tax office has access to the BZSt data.
Capiche?
There is nowhere that it is forbidden to the tax office for punishment.
Between “it is the task of the BZSt” and “it is forbidden to other authorities in punishment” there is a gap.
Where is it that the tax office is forbidden to do this favor to a distinguished citizen?
Please do not repeat the same paragraphs in which the not stands.
Where is that?
I have already mentioned the regulations that only the BZSt is allowed to share this:
And now for punishment:
§ 47 para. 1 p. 1 :
In order to take an exemplary national disciplinary law, § 2 para. 1 p. 1 NDiszG:
Every official knows that officials have to comply with the regulations of their servants and is also listed in Section 35 of the Civil Code:
Please no general places.
But concretely cite the text, where is it that In the event of a criminal offence, tax officers are forbidden to communicate their own tax ID to the citizen who personally pronounces and proves himself.
The fact that officials must comply with law and law is a principle of civil servantship, cf. § 47 para. 1 p. 1 :
An official must not simply sit over it autonomously over regulations and instructions of service by the service owner and must adhere to them. Don’t stick to it, they commit such a breach of duty.
I think it is enough if we in one place discuss. You don’t have to post the same in five places.
There is nix of “discipline punishment” and “forbidden in punishment”.
Only because something “somewhere is done” does it not become a general rule. Some offices are driving the biggest scary snack, because they design regulations adventurously.
So again: Where exactly is that?
If possible, quote the text passage, with source. Thank you.
How many times do I have to repeat myself?
Where is that? In what legal text?
And this is also not permitted by the staff in the tax office, see OFD Karlsruhe of 16.11.2022 S-2378/95-St 146, FMNR202202537 No. 2nd edition and communication IdNr.
In all other legal bases, I have also marked the notification and not the award.
The legal basis for which he is not allowed to do this is what I mentioned above all:
If the staff member informs the tax ID in the tax office, he shall commit a service offence which may result in appropriate disciplinary proceedings.
I’ve been working at the tax office for years. How much do you have to do with the daily business in the tax office? We were told directly in our studies that this will not be allowed and I also know a case in a tax office in Thuringia, where the staff member has been required to inform the tax ID disciplinary and a grade has been degraded.
To help the FS, I wrote my own answer. I am also concerned with the comments that the statement “Outcoming gets you from the tax office” is not true if the servant adheres to the rules and that would therefore be a waste of time for the FS if he follows this proposal.
No, it’s where the server is in the system. It also does not “stand” in the system, but is stored as an electronic charge on the memory unit of the data center. If you want to take it so carefully!
Who said that? And what does that have to do with the question?
There was no question about the tax number.
Unfug. If I turn to the tax office, I’m allowed to of course share my tax ID. Why not? There are a few clicks for the employee.
Each tax office is connected to the BZSt by IT technology. Perhaps it is not one of the core tasks of the employees to share tax IDs. It is, however, a nice favor that we can afford to the citizen from kindness and service. If he makes the effort to come here and asks kindly.
That this would be “forbidden” is a nasty mischief I read here for the first time. Financial offices nationally refute your claim daily. The cited paragraphs do not prove your claim in any way.
I honestly don’t understand what the many lines are to text. They do not help the questioner in any way.
Nein die steht beim Bundezentralamt für Steuern im System. Nicht beim Finanzamt.
Das Finanzamt ist für die Vergabe der Steuer-ID nicht zuständig, sondern das Bundeszentralamt für Steuern. Das Finanzamt vergibt nur eine Steuernummer, aber nicht die Steueridentifikationsnummer. Das sind 2 verschiedene Nummern.
Hier einmal die Unterschiede zwischen beiden Nummern:
Steueridentifikationsnummer:
Steuernummer:
Das Finanzamt darf überhaupt nicht die Steuer-ID mitteilen. Macht das ein Mitarbeiter im Finanzamt verstößt er gegen Dienstvorschriften. Das kann auch zu entsprechenden Disziplinarverfahren bei dem Bediensteten führen. Die Rechtslage ist da eindeutig:
§ 6 Abs. 1 Steueridentifikationsnummer Verordnung (gilt als VO logischerweise bundesweit):
Oder auch nochmal spezifischer für NRW VO-Kartei NW § 249 AO Karte 5 Nr. 1 S. 2:
OFD Karlsruhe vom 16.11.2022 S-2378/95-St 146, FMNR202202537 Nr. 2 “Vergabe und Mitteilung der IdNr.”:
The tax ID can also be requested online in Berlin, then takes a week until it goes out automatically.
Tax ID gets everyone born in Germany qua birth. It’s in the system at the tax office.
I don’t think it costs to go and ask the number.
Let me guess… Berlin? 😅 These schedules Berlin offices are a freak. I’m not taking them seriously.
Going EInfach, say it’s urgent. Bring ID, give ad hoc appointment. Wait for an hour. Looking into the system may take 5 seconds. To have to book 8 weeks later, would be laughable.
The tax office costs
This is called German bureaucracy.
Get used to it.
Mano😐
That’s it.
Total nonsens.