Is pay in a dual study program justified?
Hi, I'll soon be a fully qualified office management assistant and I actually only have A's and B's. I'll also soon have my business degree with the same grades. After that, I probably want to study business informatics and am wondering if it's justified to demand €20 an hour for 20 hours of work and half of the 20-hour university workload? I might also consider inflation compensation and coverage of enrollment fees and materials, but that's secondary and negotiable. What's important to me is knowing whether I'm staying realistic with the 20/20 concept, but with 30 hours of pay at €20/hour, or whether I've been hit on the head. Because my friend told me not to sell myself short to employers so often… :/
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You can try this, but many will reject you directly with the demand.
Because they have high costs due to dual students, you are not always there to work and you are not a fully fledged labor force there.
Therefore, it is common to be rewarded for and at the trainee remuneration of the job, which will be significantly below the amount you require.
Well, I am a full-fledged labor force, as I said earlier, I would have already completed a full-fledged vocational training as a merchant if I had a dual study. So I've already learned a job.
What high costs are these? Immatization costs do not necessarily have to be taken over by the company and even if, then on average it is approx. 350 € per semester and this corresponds to close 60€ per month. The office materials are completely deductible from the tax by the employer and reduce the turnover of the company's commercial tax declaration, as they are listed as BGA (office and business equipment) in the passive holding accounts. And even if the employee has to take over it himself, he can deduct it from the tax, only the tax part, but still.
Besides, because it was said that you are "indecently not there", you are paid for working hours. That would be incredibly paradoxical if you were to condemn students for what you actually think about studying and not dedicate this time to the company. If someone wants to work less to use the time to gain more knowledge, so that this knowledge can then be used for the company after all, then it doesn't make any sense to condemn it. If I have a contract where I work 20 or 30 hours and the employer has agreed to it and who only pays me for that time, then he does not have to tell me that it sucks from me that I don't want to work 40 hours. For the 10 hours I would like to be paid for my studies, I give you in part with regard to his right, but also partly because the employer, in principle, compensates me for the fact that I apply my knowledge that I apply in my studies also in the working time extra next to my already learned profession. Otherwise, he can only pay me for the 20 hours, but in order to be honest, then I would not apply this newly acquired knowledge for as long as my studies go. Because why should I offer something extra, what I had to do wasted and costly?
Yes, according to Uni/FA/BA, due monthly or per semester are charged. Not all, but where I was, there was a significant sum in total, which was well above the 350€ per semester.
Especially since, depending on the model, you're more than 10 hours in study, with me it was always a 10 week block, where you were full there. And then a 16-week block in the company, in which you then distributed your holiday because this was only in practical stages. Really there was the ratio of 13 weeks work to 10 weeks study plus the fact that some companies supported things such as study work that was written in the practical phase during working hours. With me, it was mostly too much to do that I had no time for it, others have been able to write in full at work. There are also other models, with different time distribution, but that's how it was with me.
If you want to be seen as a full-fledged force, you are free to work part-time and study part-time. Whoever makes a dual study is just a somewhat higher trainee, with regard to responsibility and also, for example, legal framework.
Hopelessly too high.
So you want to be paid for 40h but only work 20h? Yeah, strong.
No for 30
Because I mean I'm actually a fully trained specialist, so why should I earn as much as a dual student who didn't learn a job before?
Because as a merchant with a 2nd to 3rd cut I would be approx. 18€ gross earn the hour, 20€ the hour is at the grade and plus the abs, I find it justified above all because it corresponds to the average of a merchant according to statistics. In addition, I do not only study for myself, but also benefit the company and, instead of asking for a rise in salary over the years while continuing professional experience and studies, then rather agree that half of the continuing vocational training is paid and this is fixed for about 5 years. So the consideration…
Yes, then ask for this, then you can look for a new operation soon
And through your Abitur and your better grade in training, you now take more tasks, have more experience and take over employee leadership?
Why should someone bring more performance within a training and also boarded his university maturity and in both educational courses only 1en and 2en in succession, just as much as someone who somehow got the wizard? Especially since the salary would remain constant at €20 for the next 5 years, despite 2.5 years of professional experience that one acquires during dual studies and also acquires a higher level of knowledge of matter.
Why would you get more?
Why?
If everyone else gets 18€, you'll get 18€.
Yes, but I don't think you mean that I'm supposed to ask for the same thing as a normal worker, I can read it out of your text. But I also told you that you should call me a concrete sum and give me the sum. Because what is normal, it always depends on the basis and on the performance, or on the knowledge level of a specialist.
You even read my message?
As already said, call me a sum and justify it…
The same salary as everyone else.
What would you ask? I'd like to call a sum and start it.