Is it sooo bad if you give a horse a little pat on the nose?
Hello!
Today, after riding, I got my pony ready, as usual (except that I washed the saddle pad (as I often do in the summer). There was already fresh hay in the stall, and she was getting a bit impatient, biting the rope, etc. I then gave her verbal "cues" (I think you know what I mean). Then, while I was brushing her pastern, she snapped at me. So I just got up and smacked her on the nose. After that, she was quiet. However, the boarder next to me came over and gave me a lecture about the suffering of the poor animals in equestrian sports, who are beaten every day. She only treats her horse in a way that gives it the freedom to do what it wants. I feel a bit guilty now, even though I don't think my behavior is wrong. What is your opinion on such smacking, or the methods used by the woman in question?
Best regards, Emma.
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Apparently, the horse owners in the stables, who want to leave their horses all the freedoms. They must not be influenced, nor must they be taught.
If a horse catches after one, that can be the beginning of the horse testing its playroom. The sooner you show him what desired behavior is, the less you have to do after it.
For a horse, it is much clearer to understand, once shown, what it may be as if the person constantly tries to take away from him by (good) sending out unwanted behavior. If there is no consequence, it will just hide the “touch” at some point.
You can do that yourself;-)
I think it is completely overridden to come with lectures about violence in riding in an educational measure.
Whether one is present in such a situation, that one does not skin the horse on the head or not, one remains there. You can make yourself a future, go somewhere else, but at the first moment I think it is more important to show the horse that is definitely not desired!
I’ve hesitated for too long to assign a horse that snaps after me, next moment it’s gone before me. To this extent, after the premise, when today is caught after me, “Before you hurt me, I hurt you” – whereby man will certainly not hurt (very) the horse by a slight claw wherever he is. In this respect, I think that any concern of such “freedom enthusiasts” is quite exaggerated. My horse looks worse when it plays with his mates. I find it almost sad that in such statements one has to say that of course one does not torture or abuse his horse and does not deliberately hurt.
Ironically, the whole “Pferdestreichlers” as the last means are attacking violence when they no longer know. They had a case in the stable, which was also quite outraged that I had “physically” instructed my horse. You can’t do it. And no two hours later, she tells in the Horseman’s Cross that she had her horse on a ride only with the help of a torn floor to walk over tracks. I am now wondering what is better: a horse that knows clearly its borders and therefore usually follows me confidently, or a horse, which can “eat” its freedom and, in case of emergency, decide for things (stay where it is not supposed to stand), which in turn force me as a holder to force the horse for him completely surprisingly to something and to apply violence so that an accident or even a catastrophe can be avoided.
Don’t let a bad conscience talk to you.
I don’t see a problem. The horse must have respect for you and must behave. Of course there is a difference between the strength of the lap and of course it should never happen groundless. I don’t think you need to talk about the fact that you don’t just beat a horse, but you’re talking about an upbringing measure and a slight flap that doesn’t hurt the horse.
You can only listen to such people. I once wanted to bite a very undiscovered young horse into my knee and for that the horse also got a slight flap on my nose. Then a woman asks me when I would finally stop hitting this horse. You can see how different the perception is.
I’m not a friend of violence against animals. But a claw is definitely not violence. I’m going to break up and hit. Horses among themselves are usually anything but clashing. So some people get a ride in front of the pear or in the side when horses have something to settle down with each other.
We people are sometimes much too lazy and inconsistent, but also unfortunately very often little understandable in our actions. A horse that catches with it can be targeted if the horse immediately knows what exactly it got a ruffle. It is probably not understood or misunderstood that a begging or unrestrained horse is crumbling. For example, if I’m angry, I’m gonna put him right on the sticky leg and say clearly “no” in an energetic sound. My Wallach understands what I mean.
And if I’m cheating, that’s actually blurring and not beating. Especially not on the sensitive mouth. Crap is something for me that wouldn’t hurt a 3-year-old. But it helps to set a limit that my horse understands.
Your horse can’t kill you, no matter how much food is in the box. And the horse must not bite after you, even if it means playful and not evil – because even playful biting hurts a person much more than a horse-drawn buddy. As a human being, you’re not a horse buddy. You need to know that there are limits on all friendships. And they must be made comprehensible and comprehensible for the horse. Depending on the character, horses try again and again – similar to small children – whether these limits may not be postponed in their favor. But then it is up to us to maintain these limits and to remain consistent.
I don’t think what you did was abuse. But in the future you need to act more consciously, in time and more comprehensible.
the author lives pretty dangerous.
the klaps on the nase was also not in order. either the knee or the elbow comes with always the same harsh instruction or it comes nix. the horse must be corrected at the first time in his behavior, otherwise it cannot assign the instruction.
the reaction on snaps: body tension and a very quick step in the direction of the horse and at the height of your own shoulder clap into the hands.
the snap can be prevented by a horse attached to both sides.
the other author lives dangerous. the stall staff who deal with their horse, not. the horse can very well differentiate and will be able to be knurlable, for example, in the abmist and feeding on which wee and bring back in. if your horse is attached next to her, you better put a push-carre in between. the owner will not do anything if your horse turns your back and lifts the huf. If you keep a horse long life, you can handle it so that it can always do what it wants. I prophesy to the horse a longer life than his owner.
small tip for you: if the next time this is already presented again or even short food in the crib, turn your pony when you are finished with the afterwork, another small extra round. so your pony learns to wait and concentrate. the one needs longer, the others learn it quickly.
of which no klaps rule gives a few exceptions. are valid for the renitents ignorant – mostly hand-breeding with deficits in social behavior – either towards people or against horses. that should be the case with your pony, as I have taken from the question.
so please don’t blow your pony in the face anymore. even if it was a blossom.
Non-violent is of course the better way, but a claw in a snap is quite an appropriate reaction – if it was really just a claw… – I can’t do that, I left the horse. Just in the situation you described. Only then would the stop not have to be directly on the sensitive nose, but your pony will probably remember it.
The other adjuster is right to beat horses/animals is pathetic and some methods in riding are still very unsightly. However, there are still differences as to whether I fold my horse in front of the chest, on the croup – with a flat hand and moderately swing or full, put him in the face, use a bark or other objects.
Security is going on and some situation requires a somewhat clearer response from human beings. It can become dangerous for all participants, including the horse itself, (life) if 600 kg decide in dealing with people themselves.
the other author has, in my view, completely wrong with the anti-authoritarian education practised by her or better not recovering her horse.
we have one like that on the stall. the horse is fortunately very good.
No, she’s been referring to the many ugly, violent things that happen in riding. But there is also something other than hitting a horse or letting a horse do everything. These are now two extremes.
In my opinion, a lecture on the many ugly violent things that happen in riding sports is completely exaggerated when you assign your horse with good reason. What does one have to do with the other? As long as the questioner doesn’t get out of “Lust and Laune” and a nonsense reason (I think it’s quite a good reason for an assignment) the horse beats, one compares apples with pears…
I can understand the adjuster. I think the situation could have been solved without violence. You can never know what (also just small) violence can do on a horse. Better to reward for good things than punish for bad things. So if I were you, I would try to avoid it in the future.
I would assume that FS can very well judge/predict how the horse will react.
How do you want to explain to the horse that it gets a reward for “don’t snap”?
I am really looking forward to your procedure.
Children and dogs are not beaten (actually). Of course there are other ways than violence to show someone that something is not okay. Ignore, look evil, become loud…
a good conversation, of course.
Horses are toned or beat by other horses. bites a horse, bites the other back, because as a person you can bite a horse, you have to take hands and feet.
If a horse literally kisses a person, he already has a huge blue spot. Compared with this, a flap is still a very tender instruction – less painful than the sign of special affection. Talking about violence is just ridiculous.
That sounds very theoretical. For me, the misunderstanding begins to throw children, dogs and horses into a pot. I wish you a lot of fun when you find the opportunity to work with suitable horses.
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After the horse got caught? Or after it really hit? I want to see the one who keeps the horse from snapping on evil.
Why is a clap placed directly as violence?! A horse tried to bite here – is not funny at the dog either. The horse weighs a little more. You don’t make dutzi dutzi anymore, but you have to go through. You can react and try to “free” it. But you can’t do that.
I would have done that.
There is a difference between “beating a horse” and “correcting false/hazardous behavior”.
So I think if it was really just a slight klaps it’s not so bad so if it doesn’t hurt the horse I mean the same thing you do with children too.
But that doesn’t mean evil or violent.
No, what you’ve done is completely okay, but you should have just put the crapper on the first time.
Bullshit. I don’t really beat my horse. Uniquely, however, I have no problems to do so in the case of the emergency. PATSCH.
If it catches you, I can understand
in any other case but not 😀
I would have done the same, and the critic would stand unworded.
Who exaggerates so dimensionally and compares a clap with “Qualely daily beats”…?
Yes the flaps will have traumatized the horse for a lifetime.
Ahhhhh, the truck that drives over the horse of freedom traumatizes only the driver. Hopefully the horse is dead and nobody seriously hurts.
Between targeted impulses, beat horse and beat horse are still worlds.
The finer one horse is guided, the finer one can perform pulses. Changes in the voice, body tension, posture are often enough.
However, there are also horses that are very physical, which already need the answers to unwanted behavior. Someone’s failed in the education before. Some training is not free, but unfortunately for free
But it is always consistent, always equitable and never in rage or frustration.
Whoever treats horses as equivalent leaves something important, the active danger prevention. Horses themselves do not know democracy and no pedagogical stool. A horse likes to show his unlust, only never become physical.
Man, door and horse usually means considerable damage to humans. That’s a nice thing I’m trying to crow you already hurt the normal person, you’re going to the pointer under warranty, but only the Hau is really fun.
From me, horses can hit and bite like they’re lustful only not people. Often the owners suffer more than the horses when horses have their chair circle and keep pronunciation.
Yeah, it looks like…
And despite good education, such “physical” horses are questioning people again and again. I’ve seen this place again.
A cold blood, totally sweet and worn, a real guy who can always rely on. “Real”… And at 850 kg it is also particularly important to me that he does not put his hoove on my feet, and that I have enough space between him and the wall. For understandable reasons, which I certainly do not need to carry out in more detail…
So, I’ve been supplying this horse for several years, but recently I’ve been very rare in the stables. And now I put the guy, and I want to go to his other side, on the wall. I say “rum”, I push against his ribs, I knock… he doesn’t move! A fly on the other side would cause him to get to the other hollow to grab after this, and I would have squeezed on the wall. Without his intention – the fly would be guilty. But don’t wait, and chairs weren’t there, so I’ve snuck him with the plaster that I had in my hand. He went to the side of the ONE step, and afterwards took the cuddly hour at the man’s side again. Completely without a stool circle and psychiatrist coutch.
We are still thick cFriends – he only had to be reminded that my instructions still follow. Even if he could only vaguely remember that a few months ago, of course.
By the way, his owner watched the drive from some distance and later only meant “typical!”. It’s a slotted ear. Who isn’t there every day has no more to say, he probably meant…