Is error-free speaking possible?

Hello everyone.
I have a few questions that I've often asked myself. So please don't misunderstand me. They're about the following:

  1. Is it actually realistic to be able to speak your native language (in this case, German) flawlessly? That is, with correct grammar, etc.? (I grew up bilingual and can't speak either "perfectly.")
  2. There is still some uncertainty regarding “speaking fluently”: as the name suggests: speaking fluently, without stuttering, thinking for long periods of time, etc. BUT it does not mean that you have to speak without mistakes (grammar/style, etc.), does it?
  3. When speaking or writing, it sometimes happens to me that I use the definite article more often than I should have used the indefinite one. Is this bad or a real "mistake"? (Because I often assume the listener knows what I'm talking about.)

I would be very happy to receive your answers. Thank you very much in advance. 🙂

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Adomox
1 year ago

No one can always use language without errors in any situation – neither written nor oral. This is completely normal and does not mean that you can’t run a language. Errors, breaks, repetitions, etc., depend on many different points; e.g., how spontaneously one says/writes how well one knows how well the said/written content is, how distracting the environment is.

Pudelskern666
1 year ago
Reply to  ZoroKepi

Sometimes I do me it is difficult

chihiroogino
1 year ago

It is possible both regionally:) However, do not only later in the Duden, originally ! the “right” form

Tamtamy
1 year ago

You can express yourself (at least in writing) quite well!
Don’t worry about “perfection”! As good as no one masters his mother tongue completely error-free!

So I wish you a ‘relaxed language’!
By the way, “to speak freely” does not mean that there are no mistakes.

Tamtamy
1 year ago
Reply to  ZoroKepi

Small mistakes, especially in the tired, also have quite charm! 😊

chihiroogino
1 year ago

Ger

chihiroogino
1 year ago

Exactly, it’s just a mistake if what you express either the option in no context allows how “I go on the road” or in the respective Context does not express what you intend, e.g. “Our database now has the data”, if those data were not mentioned before / is unclear what data you refer to. So, in short: it will notice if it is absolutely not consistent in the context, but even that is not bad:)

chihiroogino
1 year ago

Very well observed:)

chihiroogino
1 year ago

Interestingly, the distinction between certain and indefinite articles, unlike many, contains not two but even four meaning dimensions: definite, undefined, specific and generic. Therefore, it is also more difficult than to assume to use it correctly.

Tamtamy
1 year ago

At least 3 sleepless nights would be an appropriate reaction!! 😁

Tamtamy
1 year ago

“… now has the data” > it is meant to BESTIMMTE data

“… has data” > means GENERAL that the database is no longer empty.

chihiroogino
1 year ago

This is context-dependent in your example, and it would go in most contexts both. But the context is crucial.

Tamtamy
1 year ago

Please make a specific example!

Traconias
1 year ago

Nobody’s perfect. So you shouldn’t make a head too heavy. Above all, “error-free” is a term that you should only use with caution:

  1. Talking and writing are two things. error-free speech in an absolute sense is practically impossible; I don’t think there’s a person who hasn’t even faded. error-free writing is also not without in German; for example, our large-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-small-screating also poses challenges.
  2. Even most native speakers have only a relatively manageable active vocabulary of a few thousand words. They will rarely make mistakes. But as soon as it goes into the vastness of the overall vocabulary (approximately 500,000 in German), many quickly lose the overview and do not use unfamiliar terms correctly (if they even fall into them).

Furthermore, in some situations it is difficult to decide what is “flawless” at all. If I move in a professional environment, I speak relatively neutral high German. If I do the same with my friends in the pub, it would be a mistake (if they don’t write it as a joke) – in the case of the wrong sociolect.

As for your point 3), since you are aware of the problem, you can try to look more closely at the signals of your interlocutors. Above all, you should never presume too much. People rarely listen properly and have forgotten things you might have said 5 minutes before.

Dahika
1 year ago

Is it really realistic that you can speak his native language (e.g. in this case German) error-free?

one should think that if one is not quite far from education and that reading is a waste of time.

However, in the presentation of a speech, the psyche, its own inhibitions, is still preventing it. They then have nothing to do with good education, but rather with lack of practice and fears,

Pudelskern666
1 year ago

Of course, it is realistic to speak the native language error-free and fluent.

Nevertheless, when excited and distracted, it can happen that one promises and a thought that has been started or Set then ended differently than planned, with grammatical errors occurring. That’s what you’ll see and correct yourself.

In view of the declining language skills of the parents of the last generations and the falling quality of teaching of the last few decades, there are now more and more rare people who really master their mother tongue without errors.

Even people who would have to have an increased language skills (e.g. TV moderators, news speakers, politicians) often demonstrate considerable speech deficits. Currently leading negative example is Annalena Baerbock, the “walking speech error”.

chihiroogino
1 year ago
Reply to  Pudelskern666

Duden’s fault-free definition is unequal to the linguistic definition of “manage your own native language”, because it takes into account language change and language principles. The generalized statement, it goes down with the language, has always existed, and it has always been unscientific.

Dahika
1 year ago
Reply to  Pudelskern666

that one promises and a beginning thought or set then ended differently,

LOL… my boss, a highly-competent, highly educated lady, writes, if she has to write essays, very much like mammoth sentences. She obviously wants to follow our “Oberguru”, “psychotherapy training”. Only the Oberguru can, she can’t. She loses herself regularly in the thicket of grammar. She has therefore appointed me her private lecturer, I then unravel her sentences, make from one sentence at least two or three. And then you can understand them.

Pudelskern666
1 year ago
Reply to  Dahika

Why “LOL”? You compare egg liqueur with coffee. I explicitly referred to someone who CAN. The fact that there are also people who can’t do it anyway and then take over with complex set designs unnecessarily because they formulate them without having thought them through to the end is a completely different issue.

AstridDerPu
1 year ago

Hello,

Nobody is perfect! – also not in your own mother tongue.

AstridThePu