If I'm caught driving without a license, do I just have to take an advanced training course?

Hello community. I received an order to attend an advanced training seminar stating that I have three months to complete it. If I don't comply, my driving license will be revoked. I missed the deadline, and I received a letter stating that my driving license had been revoked and that I should hand it in to the public order office. So I handed in my driving license to the public order office, and they told me that I only had to complete my advanced training seminar and present it, and then I would get my driving license back immediately. It's no problem, so there's no driving ban, fine, or anything like that, so perfect.

But the problem is, I thought, 'Whatever, I'll drive without a license for another week and then sign up for the advanced driving course at the driving school.' Here's the thing: I was stopped by the police and caught driving without a license.

I know so far that the punishment will be a very high fine (four-figure sum) or a prison sentence of up to 12 months, but because I am a first-time offender it is more likely to be a fine and all of this will apparently go to court.

My question is, will I still get my driver's license back immediately if I simply complete my advanced training course and show it to the regulatory authority, or will I now be banned or something similar, or do I have to wait for the court to decide? Because normally, the driver's license authority has nothing to do with this, right?

I hope that I only have to show my advanced training course and then I can drive again straight away.

Thanks for any helpful answer 🙂

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Chris68952
2 years ago

One is the penalty: fine with x daily rates, blocking period for re-application of the driving licence. If you are usually negotiated by a criminal order, there is a main trial only if you object.

The second is the administrative process. The driving permit authority will require a medical-psychological opinion (MPU) if you reapply the driving permit after the blocking period.

Your driving licence will be shredded, the next months on foot / bike / Öffis and also high costs for punishment and Mpu

Go to Verkehrsportal.de there are competent tips

Knochi1972
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

I would also use the probability at about 100%. However, you must continue the building seminar.

Chris68952
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

The MPU is almost 100% safe. There will be a criminal question: if it is to be expected that Mr. xy will also be violating criminal law regulations in the future in road transport….Drugs and alcohol do not play a role in this, and no test will be made in this respect. Can you really get the page again http://www.transportportal.de (and recommend the forum for MPU). You’re asking for drugs, do you have another “leach in the cellar”?

HfPol110
2 years ago

No.

You’ll get a license lock. This means that you don’t have a chance to get a driving license back X months/ X years.

Then you can get it back. Of course after the construction seminar.

DerBayer80
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

The probability is extremely high yes

migebuff
2 years ago

that I only have to complete my building seminar and submit it and that I will get my driving licence back.

No. You were deprived of your driving license, not just your driving license. You need to re-apply the FE, and there is also an examination of whether there are any doubts about your driving suitability, for example due to ongoing criminal proceedings.

Isn’t a problem so no driving ban fine or similar so perfect

This is not the order office, but the court.

Now comes I was stopped by the police and caught driving without a driving permit.

Then your vehicle can now be retracted and scraped. §21 StVG:

(3) In the cases referred to in paragraph 1, the motor vehicle to which the act refers may be withdrawn if the offender

1. the vehicle has carried out although it has withdrawn the driving licence or the driver of the vehicle has been prohibited according to § 44 of the Criminal Code or according to § 25 of this Act or even though a lock according to § 69a para. 1 sentence 3 of the Criminal Code was ordered against him

The same applies if you are driving without FE again within three years of the last conviction for driving without a driving licence.

Because usually the driving permit authority has nothing to do with it, right?

Redistribution of your withdrawn driving licence is the task of the driving licence authority. This will receive the notification that a criminal proceedings are against you and therefore will not process your application until it is completed. If the judgment is present, it shall be examined whether an MPU is required. If you continue to run a motor vehicle despite the deprivation of FE, you will not be able to participate in the road traffic, the MPU should be as good as safe.

Leestiger
2 years ago

The fine is one ( + the 2 further points on your account) – but can also be up to 6 further months driving ban or withdrawing the driving permit.

You didn’t make this negligent, but with your intention, so prestige!

So only build seminar and show up and get back appearance you can completely forget about the crime!

Chris68952
2 years ago
Reply to  Leestiger

He will certainly be deprived of the driving licence. If he re-applications them after the end of the blocking period and returns to positive MPU, he starts again at 0 points. Btw, driving ban is only up to a maximum of 3 months, everything about it is always withdrawal of the driving licence with subsequent re-application

Chris68952
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris68952

small correction: he has already been removed

SuperKuhnibert4
2 years ago

or do I have a lock or similar

You can expect 100% of this. The punishment will come when the matter is in court.

Because usually the driving permit authority has nothing to do with it, right?

She has a lot to do with it. It will be informed of the incident.

DerBayer80
2 years ago

You’ll get a criminal procedure for driving without a driving permit. In this procedure, a judge decides on the penalty. This can begin with a fine and go to prison.

Then it comes on Top that you get a blocking period of several years until you can even apply for a new driving licence. In the context of the new application, you may then join all the harassments of the leader’s office. Be it MPU etc.

Have fun and I hope you have a thick wallet, all this is very expensive

McSaggytits
2 years ago

Yes, then you have the lead certificate directly

Naoki94
2 years ago

You probably have to do a MPU. The building seminar is the last instance before.

Chris68952
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

Why do you want to know about your driver’s license? You have been deprived of the driving licence, this is a completely different number than a driving ban or “travel without a driver’s license” (because forgot) So you drove without a driving permit, this is a criminal offence and not just a misfortune as you call it. With the letter from the police, it was certain that you could comment on the matter or even have been charged (but you don’t have to) The process is now at the (overloaded) prosecutor’s office, the fact is clear, at some point a criminal order comes that you can accept or not if it is not in court. The building seminar no longer interests anyone. It shows us, however, that you must have already violated traffic regulations, otherwise it would not have been arranged. At the MPU in many months, you will have to prove whether you are even characteristically suitable for taking part in road traffic. I really don’t mean it all badly, but you’ve been conscious of the current situation (and apologise: stupid!!).

Naoki94
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

Most of the time, the driver’s office tells you when you ask. You get the penalty or something, but the place can also say that you are not suitable for driving. This has nothing to do with the court.

Christian320
2 years ago

I don’t understand one thing now: driving without a driver’s license means that you have it, but only have it at home, this is from my point of view only a minor offence or do you mean driving without a valid driving permit? (This would be a crime)

Anfrasi
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

You don’t get anything right back, on the contrary, the mail will be annoying and expensive that will find the next time of your mailbox. Set up a lock, possibly MPU, points and a high fine.

Christian320
2 years ago
Reply to  dnsfndk

my son has got a “Gutschein” from court for a 3 month “Hotel” stay with full board, I hope you know what I mean now

octavecrocodile
2 years ago

small supplement: Since the driving permit was withdrawn, he starts again with 0 points when he is retired. But, as you said, it will be a long and expensive way to renew. The MPU is almost certain, the generality must be protected from people who are not characteristically suitable for driving a car. I still don’t think he knows he committed a crime

DerBayer80
2 years ago

I also know a few cases where due to the intention even right went fast with a stay in a JVA.