Hybrid development

Hi, there are many hybrids, eg zebroids, mules/donkeys, ligers etc.

I think I once read that theoretically all animals of the same genus/family/order can do this. But which one was it now? I would say family, but I'm not sure – does anyone know more precisely? ๐Ÿ™‚

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BlackDracula
12 years ago

No, this is only in rare cases (but in plants, for example, quite often). a species is defined precisely about the reproduction: only individual who can testify to one another fertile, belong one and the same species.

maulting, liger etc are also infertile or can not form stable populations, which is why horse and donkey etc also remain their own species.

reisebernd
12 years ago

Here, the terms are quite confused: Bastard and Hybrid, species, race, genus, family . . What is really what?

The terms hybrids, baards, mixing and crossing are interchangeable. They mean the same, but in the past, the term bastard was used in animals rather than hybrids in plants. Today we always talk about Hybrids; the other terms are also possible.

Crossings (hybrides) are possible between closely related speciesbut they must Species, at least the same subfamily (example: Stieglitz-like are crossable across genus boundaries). They are generally not or are limited fertile.

Before the possibilities of DNA analysis were available, hybrid breeding was an important way to determine the related proximity of living beings to each other: if there were descendants or even fertile descendants, the relationship was large to very large, otherwise not.

What are breeds and genres, families and orders?

The living organisms (which include both plants and animals) are subdivided as follows: I’ll show this to the example of man:

Kingdom > Animals

Straw > chorda animals (all animals with a kind of backbone)

Class > Mammalia

Order > Primates or men’s animals (primates)

Family > Human apes (Hominidae)

Species > People (Homo)

Type (Species) > Homo sapiens

Subspecies, race, variety > are no longer differentiated in human beings, since a lot of disorder has been created with the racial concept – above all, but not only with the Nazis

There are other terms such as domains, departments, sub-divisions, subdivisions, subdivisions, rows, superfamilies, tribes, etc., which, however, only professionals have to remember. If the taxonomas (i.e. the people who deal with the classification and systematization of the living beings) no longer know, they tend to establish new classifications. However, the above-mentioned terms are important and should also be known to lay people.

A little more detailed you can read on the page http://www.korallen.net/taxonomy.htm, on the examples corals, elephants and people.

captainmic
12 years ago

with plants you can do what you want, there is a tomate crossable with an elephant tree. it never comes out 50:50, but a colorful mix.

in the case of animals, this is also in principle, only nobody does it because the success rate is relatively low, and thus the rise (and correspondingly the costs) is huge. also for the first clone dog, or the funny sheep, hundreds of pregnancy had to be broken off, including the dead of the corresponding mother animals for analysis before a cloning was successful. about corresponding modifications, at which time is being researched, it will become easier to cross an elephant with a mouse in the future.

horrible, right?

from nature, a crossing only works with closely related species. a minotaur or a zentaur are not possible.

botanicus
12 years ago
Reply to  captainmic

Plants can also be crossed or hybridized only with very close relationship. Elephant tree with tomato is definitely not going!

reisebernd
12 years ago
Reply to  captainmic

This is a scary bullshit you write here. If you are zero, but also really Zero If you have any idea, don’t be fooled for yourself, instead of harassing the internet community.

michi57319
12 years ago
Reply to  captainmic

Cloning is not paired Head shaker

A clone is genetically identical to the host.

michi57319
12 years ago

Animals of the same genus can form hybrids.

Here is an example:

Fox – Dog

Fox: Order = predators
Overfamily = dog-like
Family = dogs
Species = Vulpes

Dog: Order = predator
Overfamily = dog-like
Family = dogs
Species = Canis

Although fox and dog are very similar, they cannot be crossed. The chromosome sets are different.

LG

Steffile
12 years ago

There are hybrids between…

  • different subspecies of a race, e.g. Bengal and Siberian tigers)
  • different species within a breed (e.g. Loewen and Tiger)
  • between different genus (e.g. sheep and goat)
BlackDracula
12 years ago
Reply to  Steffile

loewen and tiger are in the same gattung, not breed.

botanicus
12 years ago

In principle, bastards (hybrids are said only in the case of plants) can only arise exceptionally, between closely related species. There are basically incredibly few of them, most of them are “generated” with much effort and would of course never arise. It is common to all that they are infertile. The few couples, which can be crossed over the art boundary, usually belong to the same genus. But you can never say that for all a genus or even higher.

BlackDracula
12 years ago
Reply to  botanicus

they don’t always have to be infertile. especially in the case of plants there are more often successful hybrids and also female ligers are fertile.

botanicus
12 years ago
Reply to  BlackDracula

I also talked about bastards and not hybrids.

pecudis
12 years ago
Reply to  botanicus

For example, not your view ^^

Hybrids are also mentioned in animals – for example, most laying hens of this world are hybrids (creases of widely differing but in each case intensively pure line/roots/sorts) to exploit the heterosis effect. There are also widespread hybrids for pigs (e.g. from the German hybrid breeding program).

“Hybrid breeding” is part of the normal breeder vocabulary in plants and animals, there is also nothing “technical” or “completely feasible”, the designation applies to all 2, 3 and 4-race intersections (there are certain pairing programs) or intersections of different parent lines in plants. Please do not confuse GMOs.

Liger & Co is called chimera, at the rest of your answer DH, in your view: there are few.

pecudis
12 years ago
Reply to  Chichouu

But this is also contradictory in Wiki, click on “Hybrid”, then find:

If there is a cross between different (usually closely related) species, more concrete is spoken by arthybrides or hybrid species.

However, it is still a fact that species are defined by the fact that they are no longer can pair with other types. And this is true for genus, family and order.

jobul
12 years ago

Hybrids are in biology intersections of two breeding lines (one also speaks of “stems”) of a kind. For example, there are several “stems” of laboratory mice with various properties. Hybrids are also produced in animal and plant breeding by crossing two breeds. Crossings across art boundaries are bastards (Maultier/esel, Liger etc.). Bastards are usually infertile, hybrids are not.

reisebernd
12 years ago
Reply to  jobul

Also in this answer there is a lot of nonsense, especially the last sentence and the explanation with the tribes: “Stรคmme” in taxonomy actually mean something completely different than these lab mouse strains. And for the “Rasse” we better take “Unterart”

I don’t write this comment to play me up, but only so that not someone takes the good faith like that (always you’re here as a “host hero”, which implies a certain credibility) and maybe stored in his brain.

But even counselor heroes make mistakes. . .

pecudis
12 years ago
Reply to  reisebernd

And for the “Rasse” we better take “Unterart”

You don’t have to condemn everything just because you don’t like it. “Rasse” is, in all animal breeding, a still indispensable name, just as variety in plant breeding, no person would call the respective parents “subspecies” in these areas in hybrid breeding, and the law does not do that.

JesusIsLord777
12 years ago

I only know that these hybrids are sterile, they can not get offspring with partners of the parent animal species or the same way. God’s “protection measure” against too much exchange and cross-breeding.

Feline27
12 years ago
Reply to  JesusIsLord777

Most hybrids are sterile but not all. There are rare exceptions, for example in mules.

michi57319
12 years ago
Reply to  Feline27

The exceptions are not so rare ๐Ÿ˜‰

Most street dogs are hybrids, but extremely fertile!
However, there are two different individuals of the same genus.

In the breeding (animal or plant), hybrids are specifically cultivated which are to be shaped into an independent, stable variety/race. This is a science for itself, as the results are not always those that are desired. Until a variety/race is stable, it takes quite a long time. For example, the Labradoodle is called, which rightly has no official recognition as an independent race. The combination of the hybrids has hitherto not brought any permanently stable results.

BlackDracula
12 years ago
Reply to  Feline27

are not fertile.

BlackDracula
12 years ago
Reply to  JesusIsLord777

sexual isolation is a normal result of the evolution.