Hauptsatz oder Nebensatz?
A) “Deshalb geht Alex oft in den Wald.”
B) “Weil es regnet.”
Für mich als Muttersprachler ist klar:
- A ist ein HS weil “geht” an Position 2 steht.
- B ist ein NS weil “regnet” am Ende steht.
Woher aber soll jemand, der Deutsch gerade erst lernt, das wissen?
Vermeintliche Antwort: Ist der Satz vollständig?
- Ja –> HS
- Nein –> NS
Das macht hier aus meiner Sicht jedoch keinen Sinn: Ich finde beide Sätze nicht zu 100% vollständig, da mir bei Beiden direkt eine Frage aufkommt:
- A) Weshalb geht Alex oft in den Wald?
- B) Was ist denn wegen dem Regen?
Jetzt könnte man sich noch die Bindewörter anschauen:
- “deshalb” ist ein Adverb bzw eine Subjunktion: Verwirrt mich, da ich gelernt habe, dass Konjunktionaladverbien (KA) Hauptsätze einleiten und ich mir nicht sicher bin, ob hier mit Adverb ein KA gemeint ist
- “weil” kann sowohl Subjunktion als auch Konjunktion sein: …und somit sowohl HS als auch NS einleiten.
Was meint ihr zu diesem Wirrwarr?
LG Chris
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“Weil” never initiates a main sentence, but is a side-set conjunction or subjunction. “That’s why” always introduces a main set and is a main set conjunction.
Learning foreigners
That’s so easy! There’s no innkeeper at all.
Thank you for your answer!
“Learning foreigners that the conjugated verb is at the end of all sidelines. ‘
Yes, I know I’m reading it everywhere, but that’s what I’m doing when I’m aware of already existing side-sets. But if I try to make sentences myself, and the conjugated verb is only in my head – how do I know that it is a side-set, which in turn leads to the realization that I have to pack the conjugated verb to the end?
“because” is a causal sideline. ‘
Is there any site where you can check this? Word meaning.info is something misleading (because “because” can also be a conjunction, not just a subjunction) and on dwds.de or duden.de I do not find the information so accurately.
It is also not about the meaning of words, but about grammar. If you don’t know what secondary sentences (= subordinate sentences) and main sentences are, you should have a (solid!!!) German grammar get. Actually, you’re already learning at primary school. A good exercise program that you can buy at medimops.de is e.g.
🌈🌻Thank you for your star. 🪷🌴
I’ve been looking for some time what wiktionary says. But in fact, I have the most grammar in my head and look for the rules based on examples. That was my whole life (and that was already long!) the best method for me with everything possible. I also have 2 grams (dudes 4 + Helbig/Buscha) and a good dt.dt. WB, the Great True. I don’t trust the stuff on the Internet – except for DWDS and some other pages. But since everything is not good for everything, I don’t even notice these pages. There’s always something new, depending on what I want to know. If one understands to look reasonably well, one will usually find one.
“What’s on this website “word meaning” is more than strange.”
All right, then I’m not going on that anymore!
How do you find the page here?
https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/aber
“You should have learned just like I did in the primary school, which is a main and a secondary. ‘
I feel like we’re talking about each other. For Me that is also (mostly) not a problem, I look at the verb. However, if someone asks me what I recognize, apart from the position of the verb, then if I don’t see any subjunction at the beginning, I’ll guess in explanation: with the statement that the main sentences are complete and the secondary sentences aren’t, I’m starting a little bit because I often perceive this differently. But let’s get the subject better, we don’t believe in a green branch.
“So you don’t have to worry about foreigners who learn German. ‘
I’m trying…
“A word list with all conjunctions and subjunctions can be found in the appendix of some grammars. ‘
Thank you.
“But something: the grammatical names are often different. Sometimes a term ranks in one grammar under adverb and in the other under conjunction (e.g. therefore) etc.
Thanks for the info!
What’s on this website “word meaning” is more than strange. I don’t know who fucked this up. For me, this is completely unprecedented stuff, partly also wrong (for example, “thus” as a subjunction). Some sentences are grammatically wrong. Okay, I don’t want to lose any more words about it.
Meanwhile, I don’t know what you actually want. You should have learned just like I did in the primary school, which is a main and a secondary. In English lessons it comes again: main clause -subordinate clause, also in French lessons: proposition principale – proposition subordonnée. So I can continue in Spanish and Italian. Where’s your problem?
Everyone who learns English is confronted with this. So you don’t have to worry about foreigners learning German. They just have to acceptthat they German annexes the conjugated verb at the end of the sentence have to be, and they learn that from A2. You will learn that there is a subordinate statement (that) that indirect questions exist (whether, where, what, when, why/whether, what, what, etc. etc.), as well as all kinds of relative sentences and then just temporal, causal, contessive, conditional and fashional subjunctions, respectively. Auxiliary operations are initiated.
You’ll have learned some language except your native language. So the parade is nothing new for you.
A word list with all conjunctions and subjunctions can be found in the appendix of some grammars. In Duden 4, you can find lists with subjunctions (and example sets) from page 633-640. But of course I don’t have x grammar to house, so can’t tell you where to find the most extensive and/or clearest directories.
Something else: The grammatical names are often different. Sometimes a term ranks in one grammar under adverb and in the other under conjunction (e.g. therefore) and the like, but that a main subjunction (thus) suddenly becomes a subjunction (or subjunction), that is not.
The “because“I think it’s funny. here nabbed and further down it is called conjunction, but I find the examples totally strange: “It must have rained, because the floor is wet.” I wouldn’t say that…
And the “thereforeagain (here) is referred to as adverb and as subjunction. And if conjunctional adverbs are meant, then HS + NS would be possible again.
But thank you for the explanation of the main sentence – and sub-set conjunctions!
Again: I think about how someone who can’t get German can better understand if he has to do with an NS or an HS. So he can follow where the verb has to go.
“Do you want to hear from me that a sideline cannot stand alone?”
No, because the phrase “That’s why Alex likes to go to the forest” doesn’t make any sense without anything else, and yet it’s not a NS.
“Or should I give you all sorts of sidelines with an example?”
No, they can also look through themselves, but I was wondering if there is a glossary (a website) that tells me that “thus” will only introduce HS.
“Should I list all subjunctions to you, including all the question words that can initiate a subjunction and also all the only conceivable beginnings of relative sentences that are also subsets?”
If you have such a glossary, and I mean, by the way, similar to duden.de or dwds.de, who already provide a lot of information for individual conjunctions, just not exactly what I wanted to know: Yes then write to me “Sry, I don’t know, can’t help you.” However, I find the tip with the grammar just frustrating because I already read through some grammar pages.
Addendum: Maybe you just got confused, because there, where you have broken, that “because” is a conjunction.
This is also correct. In the past, one has not spoken of subjunctions, but has distinguished by subjunctions and main subjunctions, for example:
Do you want to hear from me that a parade cannot stand alone? Except in dialogue language, of course. Or should I give you an example of all sorts of sidelines? Do you want me to list all subjunctions, including all the question words that can initiate a subjunction and also all the only conceivable beginnings of relative sentences that are also subsets? I’m sorry, but a little you have to do yourself to understand what a sideline is. That’s what you’re using a grammar.
So until now I’ve always found your answers very helpful, but this…
Variant?
When it rains, Alex often goes into the forest because he likes moisture.
As it rains today, Alex walks into the forest.
Surely walk in the forest. Merci!
De rien! (Or how to hear now everywhere in D’land: Da nich’ for! – That sounds very funny for me from the mouth of people who do not live in coastal regions and who do not have any North German accent at all, not to say, full of other things!)
It is not the whole context in every sentence.
Example:
Alex likes nature. That’s why Alex often goes to the forest.
or