Does today’s music world only have talentless artists to offer?
I send you my warmest greetings, dear fellow discussants!
For years, for many years now, I have been plagued by this feeling of immense and almost destructive mental and physical irritation, brought on—and here I am certain—by self-appointed troubadours, talentless carnival singers who occupy the heavenly and deeply venerable caste of musicians and defile them with their dreadful—I hardly dare to use the word—"singing."
My great love is classical music, but I also enjoy listening to the divine sounds of the Baroque and Venetian polyphony. But I ask you, dear fellow discussants , why does a musician as untalented as Ed Sheeran receive such great esteem today? Why are untalented musicians and people who call themselves artists able to bathe in pools filled with coins, Dagobert-style?
Do we no longer have any expectations of music? Do we only want to be bombarded with soulless, unassuming sounds?
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For one time I go with your assessment, but I want to have said that an extremely eloquent expression does not make you more intelligent or intellectual. It is also enough to express yourself in simple words, otherwise you are still slapping too much around the hot porridge and others are not listening to anything, even if you really have something good to say.
The problem of modern pop music is that it was completely economized. The music is only about expanding the audience. This is the expansion of capitalism. The goal is not quality, but profit. The profit always suffers creativity and individuality. Why does everything sound like today? Because the market’s competition is so prevalent. The music industry is only about competition, but not quality. The goal is to make accessible music, in hope to reach many people and thereby earn a lot of money.
The music industry is a neo-capitalist market economy like any other.
Hello CarolusLinnaeus,
Your question lets me take a slightly different look at something that has so far been the most competitively lower drawer in music: some of the Rap scene actually seems ‘talentfrei’. However, it is possible to admit to the authors themselves such texts that they do not become monkeys through the discrepancy between claim and reality.
To the content of your question: The media today allow virtually unlimited access to the entire spectrum of modern music. I recommend that you not set your favor as a benchmark due to hearing habits. You’re young, you should definitely expand your musical horizon. Also in 20 and 21 Century was written wonderful music.
LG
alecquinone
Dear Arlecchino,
also thank you very much for your answer. Rap, these are usually testosterone-loaded and unspective hellodris, washy pigeon-nothing, yes, often even right-wing sharlatanes, who want to put themselves into the Homer’s tradition with their supposed word-feeding from the casting, but with a view to the unexisting talent and the lack of feeling for the beautiful and sublime Teulandering… Here my judgment must be particularly hard!
then listen to the older rappers Eminem (e.g. Stan) and the newer NF (Hope) – that’s damn good, both musical, and literary / narrative!
Musical quality can also be found with Tool (Pneuma zB), or Jinjer (Pisces),
etc.
Rap can’t be called music either. So if you’re looking for the crowning of this millennium, you’ll have to enter the pop music. There are some good albums. Much is also naja… but it’s just a few good things
The music world of today has much more to offer than at the time, infinite music from all over the world, countless genres and arts, and thus not enough,
new ones are added daily.
Of course, one does not compare apple with bananas. An Ed Sheeran can best be compared with a minne singer from that time, and Ed doesn’t even cut off badly.
Of course, those who are buried behind long-deceased composers, the old one always rises up and turns forever in circles, nothing, but nothing of contemporary compositions will come along.
A few recent examples for you, so you don’t have to be stuck in the past:)
Fazil Say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYtybgToH2Q&list=PLY3u5qOW4BGwZiMGUldBVfEeuO876o0nnn&index=174
Tan Dun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5BGzhQCU08&list=PLY3u5qOW4BGwZiMGUldBVfEeuO876o0nnn&index=45
Nicholas Lens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lgpd77VFDY&t=125s
Thierry Zaboitzeff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2lHfTRxNg&list=PLY3u5qOW4BGwZiMGUldBVfEeuO876o0nnn&index=78
Zbigniew Preisner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0-b26tn-c&list=PLY3u5qOW4BGwZiMGUldBVfEeuO876o0nnn&index=85
Christos Antonio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn3KlapCWu8&list=PLY3u5qOW4BGwZiMGUldBVfEeuO876o0nnn&index=117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVqZyT5IHqA&list=PLY3u5qOW4BGwZiMGUldBVfEeuO876o0nnn&index=182
I thank you very much for your expression of opinion that I do not want to share, but respect true nobleman. Ed Sheeran can not be compared with the great, virtuous and worded minnese singers of the glorious high-medium age!
hm, your idea of Minnesänger is beautified and distorted. This is probably due to the fact that you only stage the perfectly and consume on high-gloss polished mainstream through a golden filter. Too bad, because that restricts your listening habits, /you can’t open up for something new.
You can already see that through the formulation of your question.
This should not be a critique of you personally, much more of your listening habit 🙂
Check out the short film: Minnesang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xVaFCkDyx8
But what is handed over by minnesängern is far better and more demanding than the 0815 garbage that Ed Sheeran secrets.
Well, maybe you overestimate the work of art Minnesänge :
It’s nothing new. In the period of classical music, the works were deprived of the princely houses and the elite. But at the peasant festival, the peasant singer had the greater influx.
When the best music appeared in pop and rock music, the crowd heard whispers or cheap pop. And that has not changed until today. The most successful music is accessible to simple minds. You have to find the good music first. But there are.
I thank you very much for your answer! Would you have a few exquisite and worthwhile examples of contemporary artists to whom I should give my valuable hearing?
I have to ask what is ” contemporary”. Should it be from this millennium, or does it include the 70s?
https://youtu.be/51oPKLSuyQY
Close To The Edge
Introduction: nature, foliage, water plating, insects, birds; a lot of masonry sailors. Then a wild cacophony until the topic begins. Then singing-refrain-gesang-refrain-gesang-refrain, each with slight changes, later a slow part that turns into something sacral. That is why so much church organ, which at the end also appears quite beautifully infernal. Textually, it’s too high to me… after the Siddartha by Hermann Hesse.
http://youtu.be/6O4cvfaAsUM
Deacon Blues
Textwise: A musician decides to rush into the music world. Guitars, Piano, Bass, Saxophone, Choir voices and Gedöns, very finely decorated 🙂
https://youtu.be/qTuTFXkJxNI?t=4995
Generation Sex
https://soundcloud.com/subdelirium/procession-of-the-gods-joe-hisaishi
Joe Hisaishi – Procession of the Spirits
Movie music from a children’s anime – Chihiros Journey to the magic country. The film plays in a world of Shintoism in which everything, rivers, mountains, forests, etc… has its own spirit, its own soul.
https://youtu.be/qVrelgk0DxA
Hoelderlin – Dream
It’s nothing. at least there is no text. Played live by long-haired cuddly musicians for a radio in Gothenburg.
I’d like to leave it to you!
The claims have fallen. In 10 years, everyone is forgotten.
Today almost everything sounds the same. No comparison to the musicians of previous days.
So first of all, interesting writing lawn, I haven’t read a question so far. From the mainstream I keep little, singers like Ed Sheeran go over completely, there were some great songs against 2010, but after that it sounds practically up.
I listen in a wide range, even classical modern music, operas but also composed songs from different opera houses/instrumental groups/ vocal groups, of course I can Voices of Music recommend that I find very often great high-quality pieces. Also like pieces of BYU or OTTA Orchestra or Pavarotti. The Danish Orchestra also offers good quality.
Then there are also Hardcore, Hardstyle (Dr.Peacock,Billx,Tekkit,ERA), Jumpstyle, Frenchore, Trance also those areas I like to hear, but also since the 2010s like Technoboy, D-block or others.
Of course there are also medieval music like FAUNrock music like Santiano, Mono Inc. or Rammstein. Other classical traditional music from Slovenia, Croatia, Argentina, Italy (especially Sicily) or Cuba. Then also older singers like Nena, MJackson or Christie or Dundas.
First of all, I would like to thank you very much for your answer. It’s good that my eloquent-galante kind of correspondence is getting you. Certainly there are still quite talented musicians today, but where can they still be found? It resembles the search for the needle in the hay harbor, you want to think…
Maybe I think this is the wrong platform for questions. I think about the HiFi area where classical music is often heard and which might be interesting for you.
The fact that Ed Sheeran is so successful is due to clever marketing. This is business, you can sell it very well.
I’m not a fan of the mainstream either.
However, most people are mainstream listeners and the music touches them emotionally, so this music is also heard a lot.
There are also modern artists who can really sing and have studied singing or can play an instrument virtuos.
Modern music can also be quite skillful. This sounds only different than music centuries ago.
Even metal singers can really sing again prove Tarja Turunen. Here is a name in which she sings classically https://youtu.be/X7MNiVrF4ik
Of course, artists make higher profits when they reinterpret something according to modern taste. As an example of this modern implementation, I have chosen Nina Hagen, because the musicians are true artists, which is perhaps not the same for you to discover. https://youtu.be/v-YzdvmD2aQ
So here is a song from her that might trigger your pleasure https://youtu.be/1j27sqVJOR8
Baroque also belongs to the great genre of classical music, which consists not only of Viennese classical music. And baroque is basically behind most of today’s popular music, at least when you ask Rob Paravonian…
https://youtu.be/DlL91ytbpfY
Hello Dear @CarolusLinnaeus, I am very pleased to participate in this discussion. Even if this question is more than half a year old, I would like to add my “senf”.
First of all, I set as much as you former member of the Vienna Boys’ Choir high standards on music. And yes, you’re right there are some really bad singers.
But something must be said. There are many different types of music, they are all different from the ground on from the technique. Let’s take the baroque as an example. With the various ornaments in the melody by colorations and others, it requires a lot of body tension, the correct abdominal breathing technique etc.
But then there is also Pop, Rock and so on. With light melodies, however, they express an incredible amount of character, mostly everything composes itself, which also contributes very much. Many love this feeling of simply letting go of this music and understand me nciht wrong, of course this goes also in classical music, but we have been in another age for a long time and so many people do not follow the old (but also beautiful and great times). And then there are these artists like Ed Sheeran who make the music, where many people can just let go. That’s one of the reasons why Ed Sheeran is so popular. Ic would not, however, mention it terribly.
I hope I could well explain my point of view to you, and I am happy to answer any further questions. Best regards
Sirox
I think I understand what you mean. My music taste has changed considerably over time.
But by now I almost only hear Chinese music! 😎 Sometimes a few oldies on the radio.
I remembered songs for each of your genres, only Nightwisch had to research, I didn’t know. Unfortunately, you can’t hear radio anymore, except weekends in the evening, otherwise baptically advertising/news & podcasts. What do you hear about Chinese music?
Maybe you have some top pieces?
PS: Don’t ask Guzheng, I know them.
Something like that.
Interesting! I also hear Russian, but rather towards Hardstyle and Techno. Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwWeyfpn-Q8
Well, you can hardly compare classical music with a pop singer like ed sheeran. Well-known, tastes are also different. I personally find singers like ed sheeran, rihanna, dua lipa, beyonce etc. But I think, as I said, that one cannot compare these two music worlds with each other, as they naturally produce completely different music. But there are also modern classic producers..hatten other users yes I think linked when I have seen correctly. Love
I wouldn’t throw Rihanna and Beyoncé in a pot with the other two. Their music is much more demanding, as they let some elements of soul and jazz flow into their works, have a larger volume of voices and more.
Yes ed sheeran you can leave. But I find Dua lipa very good at it. Although much more pop, that doesn’t bother me anymore. Find her as an artist super and also her vote is worth a quite high recognition.
Nice expression. I like and I think I’m gonna stalk you here now;-)
Seriously, people prefer shallow music that catch up. You don’t want to think about it much and focus on it, but to be tricked.
But there are also better and more complex catchy music. From rock and metal to jazz and blues to Tchaikovsky’s piano concerto or Mozart’s operas.
With such complaints, I would personally go to the neurologist. Maybe it helps if you let yourself be therapeutically supported for a while!
Also envy can be treated and worked up therapeutically!
Go to the bottom so that you are not caught in a kind of negative time loop that actually only harms you and does not bring any benefits to anyone.
I wish you good improvement and all thoughtful good 🙏
Honored fellow-discussionist, I want to strongly oppose this tremendous accusation, my psychic constitution could be in a fragile state. I, who always travels in the circles of the brightest heads of this age and debates at regular sessions with the corpses of current psychological research, yes I, I never saw more clear and enjoyed better psychic health.
It is not all gold that wants to shine 🧐
How beautiful I can enjoy the music that is unpretentious in your eyes. Among other things, Sheeran’s songs also like because of their arrangements, which, in my opinion, also presuppose relative talent (and work).
I am, of course, as elite with my preferences for “classical” rock and jazz as you give, namely in terms of popular pop music and especially hits, folk music, beer cellar or mixed crap. But I can enjoy it too. Whoever likes to hear it deserves it.
With classical music, I can’t really start much, even though I appreciate the subtleties of the compositions and the lecture. It’s probably a lack of hearing habit. And it’s important how I could learn about jazz for years.
Ed Sheeran’s arrangements should be good? Apt? You seem to hear another Ed Sheeran than the one who’s been forced on me on the radio. His music is smiling, unclaimed, adapted (you don’t hear any difference to the rest of his kind), minimalist, the volume of voice is very limited, he actually only crys like a kicked dog…
I’m sure you can see that, depending on your claim.
Listen to the following artists. Maybe they’ll tell you.
The music has become quite flat. Compare the ever more similar hits of today with those of the 60s. You hear what quality is. And the lyrics almost all had a lot of sense and mind. Please listen to Corry Brokken with La mamma. LG
No.
Hello!
I hope it’s okay if I write in my answer in a less baroque and pupil style.
Of course you’re right.
That before.
Although the spread of classical music is not only very high to the current gentile, it is generally different from other styles. Such complex compositions are found in hardly any other level than in classical music.
To pieces by Handel, Brahms or Mozart, almost everything seems trivial.
Back to your statement:
I dare to say that this observation is widely valid.
Not only in music.
Conversation, movies, cars, fashion, food… everything is somehow flattered and low quality.
You could say it fits each other.
Even if one compares the music from today only with that of the 80s (in classical terms it generally cuts badly), one misses several components.
Where are the people who can play an instrument?
There used to be BANDS. Percussionist, bassist, guitarist, keyboardist, singers… who stood together on stage and have rocked the hut.
Someday the “Boygroups” came. Moderately talented noodles were mainly selected according to optical advantages and combined into a synthetic combo. The quality of the music was rather “goes” but the guys were so sweet…
Today, the preliminary low point of the (pop)musicians is probably reached.
Melodies are either horrible or covered.
Instead of the musicians, there are barely dressed dancers, who probably distract more from the music than to underpain.
The texts are also far from any lyric.
Where you used to put value on “Wohlklang im Reim”, the lyrics are today probably the best you can do from the bottom of the vocabulary.
Don’t have to remorse. Or be insane. And just not insane or complicated! Me-Tarzan-Du-Jane. All right.
And the song is more a weeping pleasure. The singer of today has pity – no fans. After 3 lines you know, aha, he had a heavy childhood!
And if you’re looking for the worst event, then you’re well off at the ESC (formerly Gandprix d ́Eurovision de la Chanson or similar).
There the most slanted birds of their homeland mutilated to the international inferno, the meeting of the talent-free self-actors with many effects, acrobatic inserts of co-acteurs and grotte-bad music.
Modern entertainment.
Flat, colorful, noisy and contentless.
The last generation. The last…
Greetings back!
The music world is great! It is not forbidden to look beyond the edge of the plate!
If you only listen to chart music, it doesn’t mean that there are no great musicians anymore! Doesn’t mean you don’t know this great music!
Yuuki hayashi is good
I thought Carl von Linné had died in 1778?
LG
Georges Cuvier
ed sheeran is even highly talented in contrast to what you get to hear from germanrappern!
But only in comparison with them!
You can hide behind your eloquent idiom, but it doesn’t change the fact that you have a lack of musical knowledge:
It is ridiculous to decide what is “talented” and what is not, just because it does not correspond to your own musical preferences. Musical genres have been mixed again and again, so new styles developed.
You can hear what you want. But with such high-naturity, you won’t make yourself popular. My heating exercises for the electric guitar begin at Mozart and listen to Justin Bieber’s “Love yourself” on 🙂
I thank you very much for this quick and deeply honest answer. With regard to the accusation that I would not bring any musical knowledge, I have to contradict myself in a vague way: I originated from a family that introduced me early into the heavenly sounds of the Venetian Multichörigkeit. I have always been surrounded by muses and artists of all disciplines and always listen to the finest sounds. Of course – and as a naturalist, I can only testify that too well – also the music of evolutionary processes that cause a constant further development. However, I get too often the feeling of playing exclusively talent-free. True to the motto: The less talent, the more successful!