Gendern mit Doppelpunkt grammatikalisch korrekt?
Hallo.
es geht um Schule (Hessen).
Die Form „Schüler:Innen“ und „Lehrer*Innen“ sind n.E. mit den Regeln der deutschen Rechtschreibung nicht zu vereinbaren und damit eigentlich schlicht falsch.
oder wie seht Ihr das?
Der Rat empfiehlt auch ganz klar, diese Varianten nicht zu benutzen.
Gilt die Verwendung in der Schule als Fehler?
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The thing is clear: double points are set characters and no letters. And words consist of letters and not of phrases. And not from asterisks, underscores or other nonsense. By the way, no other language is known to me, where such a nonsense would be allowed.
It is also true that our language, which has only a legislative reform behind it and is already watered down enough even under more and more anglicisms, is preserved and not to ruin more and more.
This is our opinion, here. We agree. 👍
Unfortunately, even schools with a bad example are going forward and design their school regulations and the homepage accordingly with stars and double points.
and you can’t do anything about it. These are officials, and if they are properly obsessed, don’t make any arguments.
I’ll tell you, mankind will always be devastated. And now it is raised from schools to stupidity.
This is true for the most part, but is not a harsh rule. An apostrophe is, for example, a record, no letter. And yet an integral part of genitive forms in German and other languages.
The first one that used the apostroph (probably in 16). century), has not been stopped by rules, which should be contained in a word and not. Language is not a hard science.
Any gender is simply wrong and represents a spelling error. Whether inland I (Teachers), double point (Teachers: inside), slash (Teachers), gender star (Teachers) or undercut (Teachers), all these variants of gender are to be considered to be a mistake.
If you want to write gender-neutral and do not want to commit a spelling error, then you have three options:
In the first variant, in contrast to other variants of gender, one has to make sure that it makes sense. This is why gender is completely nonsense, for example, with a gender star. Because in the gender star, you do not have to make sure that it makes sense because gender with a gender star (or double point, etc.) does not make any sense. Example “Doctors”. With the gender star, you can do so, with the slash-tie-coat variant, because it must make sense there. What would be a “doctrinate”? The masculine form often falls away from gender, which does not just do justice to gender – although this is just a central point in gender …
phrases have lost nothing within words; they are not there.
That’s all right and we agree.
But the question was whether this was a mistake at school.
Because I keep stating that in school everyone does what he wants. Teachers take the right to attack the pupils’ mistakes, but even kick the German spelling with their feet.
Whether this is a mistake at school depends solely on the teacher and how he is. You can’t do anything as a student. Although gender is a mistake, it is accepted by many and probably by most teachers. You would already be very puzzling if you actually consider this as a mistake – so the broad opinion.
Oh there I can send you mails from teachers (I am consciously writing because there are 3 women)… there are both pupils: and pupils: inside.
Yeah, but it’s just because it’s a lot of things to do that, it’s not correct. The kids are leaving all commas today, so it’s not correct. And if a million people write Fogel instead of bird, it’s still wrong.
What can’t be done? From an educational institution to teach language according to rule, I expect correctness.
Of course – what newspapers etc. do you have no control.
There you are quite right with the shortcut, unfortunately this here in the iPad with the spelling-incense-automatic is often anything but simple:-(
Of course it is wrong – where I “Teachers:“even has never seen, this is even a combination of double-point and inland-I, so it has been doubled here – but it doesn’t matter for most people, as gender is now widely accepted in the population. Even the day vision and many other serious institutions gender; knowing that it is actually wrong. As soon as it is accepted/desired by teachers in their teachings, you can’t do anything. No matter how much this is a spelling mistake or bad style.
And as we are already at pinch speed: As with all the other abbreviations of this type, a blank must be set, i.e. m. E. and not m.E.
I wish a pleasant morning:)
Yes and no. M.E. is this gender is simply bad style. But it can be shared in general.
But “teachers” are at least grammatically correct. No one can blame you as a mistake because it does not contradict the rule of spelling.
“Lehrer:innen”… if I read it, I always ask myself immediately whether there is Leherer: Outside. That’s just wrong.
And that’s always wrong, no matter how to stand for gender-mindedness.
Hello,
if no rules have been given to you, leave it with the gender.
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According to my knowledge, there are no binding requirements from the HKM or from the SSA. With us at school everyone does what he wants.
I’m not doing this nonsense anyway. I’m talking about pupils. Point. And the end of the discussion.
But it is generally a question of whether this should not be evaluated as a mistake in schools.
Would have, bicycle chain.
Despite the Recommendation (not binding) in schools often lacking gender – whatever type – is evaluated as a mistake.
It is possible to intervene in court. (https://www.hessenschau.de/gesellschaft/gendern-an-universitaeten-der- Streit-ums-sternchen, Streit-um-das-gendersternchen-100.html)
Then you’d have to look for yourself at the Hesseschau. I’ll delete the link.
Not only the young, but also the middle-aged, fall off this madness.
OK, teachers generally fall in some madness;-)
Sure, you can argue with the individual teacher. But as teachers are (at least with us), there is everything you write to the head of the school. And it generally weighs everything with a considerable portion of indifference. He’s such a gender fetishist.
Other elders? forget it. I’ve been through this six years now as a class, school and member of the County Council… they all pull the tail right away if anything is directed towards confrontation. You can bend the way. 🙁
Unfortunately, this is only a non-binding encoding. That’s right.
OK, I’ve also looked at this experience, even though I haven’t seen a case in which it has really come down to point or even worse note. This is sometimes expected (not necessarily required). But then the form “students” is quite sufficient. That’s what most teachers are blurring themselves.
Your link sounds interesting, unfortunately it doesn’t work. do you have that in correct? Thank you.
But I would say to a teacher who calls my child non-genders to be mistaken, that you then ring your ears. And I’m sure I could unite a lot of my parents behind me. As a rule, they are red spoons of young teachers who haunt the German language with their gender splicing.
So I don’t think that’s going to happen so often in the subjects of physics and earth science, but I consistently stumble as a mistake.
I love you.
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Gendern is generally not compatible with German grammar, no matter whether strange special characters or form of course as an alleged neutral variant.
Our school manager always gives himself the pale and speaks 17 times as a result of pupils. Once, it’s funny. But after that it’s just stupid. And he doesn’t realize it either. On Tuesday at the witness conference, I spoke consistently about children, and he didn’t even realize that I wanted to take him on the arm. 🫢
but: Students are still correct at least grammatically. But in the middle of words, the German spelling does not appear from my point of view.
Children 🤣 horny…
Yes, in principle, we agree. That was not in question now. Whether this has to be evaluated as a mistake in school
Not to gender would be correct.
Source: German Association
Yes, we agree. But that wasn’t the question.
Your question is answered. Not to gender is grammatically correct. There is a change of gender that would be correct.
A police officer. But with these stars and double points everything is just wrong.