Fiat 500 – better 1.2 with 69hp or Twin Air 0.9 with 86hp – which is more advisable in the long run?
Hello, I'm looking to buy a used Fiat 500 (between 20,000 and 35,000 km) and am looking for advice on engine selection. Which will last longer? Which is more prone to failure? At first glance, the Twin Air seems more economical, but is it actually better?
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You can forget the weak paper values. The Twinair is total scrap, such misconstructions only exist because of absurd EU bureaucracy (pure lobbying and protectionism).
Buy the 1.2, it is easy and sustainable. But as a new car, the 500 does not make sense, which has too little value loss to get € 10,000 you get a reasonably equipped new car.
Look at the listing: R & D
My mother drives one like the other.
The Twin Air has two turbos, one per cylinder, which pulls the little thing well, but from 160 it goes out the powder. Important for you is the fact that the spark plugs are very expensive and you have two turbochargers that can break, both are not given at the 1.2er because it is a sucker and its spark plugs cost no 30€ the piece (if I'm quite out)
Ouch, it hurts. Why do you have to answer if you have no idea at all? The TwinAir has no two turbochargers. Don't let the name be touched, just let it know – and don't fry the internet, because other people might believe what you write.
Now then my mother said it wrong to me or I misrepresented the number of turbochargers, I never looked after it myself, because I am absolutely 0 interested in Fiat! However, this does not change my experience regarding the driving characteristics and the sometimes expensive spare parts 😉
It depends on what you need the car for, say how your driving behavior is. If you travel mainly to town and rarely over land and highway, the 1.2 is 69 hp. So my behavior and I drive the punto 1.2 with 69 hp and he's enough, no more.
But you often drive long distances and also across land and highway a lot, because take the twinair who wants and has to be kicked a bit.
My Fiat trunk car house, once said when you have a turbo, it is not good only to drive in the city, that can permanently destroy the turbo, and that is very, very, very, very, very expensive.
I hope I could help you, but I'm not a professional.
LG
This non-sensical trend from little space to get a lot of power…. Such machines can be even more as robust as we know from the older ones, because you are driving purely on wear, so more often inside the workshop is a 0.9l engine. Above all, from 100kmh you certainly have no reserve in the backhand if you ever get into a stupid situation where you could use it.
Although I'm driving Toyota myself, I've had my experience with various engines. Nen 1.3er with 86hp I ran a rehearsal, against my 1.6er with 84hp is the chanceless underlying because the little one just always wants to be shot properly.
My sister also had the Aygo with 1.0l 69hp machine for just half a year, which is already inexperienceable because he is too heavy. In the meantime, he has the Yaris as a hybrid, and behold, the light coming from the lights is much better.
On the subject of durability, the 1.2l would say quite clearly, whereby you no longer get the quality that was then going and giving. Maybe does he still manage the 200tkm and more?
100 hp per liter engine is not a problem. Everything about it is very important for wear. So the 0.9's holding something.
From 100 km/h no reserve anymore? What's that cramp? The motor offers 85 or 105 hp, this is more than enough power for a small car to advance very well in any situation. It is turbocharged and therefore has the power profile of an approximately 1.5 to 1.6 liter suction motor (maximum 145 Nm). Inadequate pulling force can certainly not be accused of the engine, yet it is not recommended (see my main answer).
Well, in a direct comparison, the weight of the car had to be taken into account and with min. 1.2. My 1.6s with 84hp have to move 870kg, the 1.6s with 105hp 950kg, which I find both pleasant.
Clear the 1.2 he sucker. This unit has been proven for decades at Fiat ("Fire Engine"), it has already been running in the Uno – an undisturbed part, with smooth running, easy to save and easy to rotate. The Twinair, on the other hand, is a real paper tiger – enormously economical on paper, but in practice a drunk. In addition, it runs unround like a shaking plate (two cylinders), sounds like a lawn tractor and showed high pollutant emissions (HC, CO and soot particles) in practical measurement drives. Furthermore, the Internet frequently reads from leaky hydraulic control units. This engine offers a novelty (hydraulicly operated inlet valves), quite interesting when it works, but it often does not seem to be the case.
I don't even think about the engine in modern cars, not even in a low-quality manufacturer like Fiat. It will not be 90% if this car is once scraped. So I would only set the choice of motorization to the driving experience, and to do so you both have to rehearse and consider your usage profile beforehand – how much city, how much overland, how important is highway?
In principle, however, I would rather advise Panda than 500. Same platform with much better, more clear and more practical bodywork. The only acceptable reason to want a 500 would be one of the Abarth variants in my eyes. Unfortunately, there is no Panda Abarth.
At least it used to be that….. an engine with 1.2 liters and close to 70 hp and one with 0.9 liters and just 90 hp….
300cm3 less and 20 hp more. The common sense says that the small turbo is subjected to considerably higher stresses.
Öttinger's election statement (not beer, but old tunig specialist) is: "Too space is not to be replaced except by even more space!"
I'm not so compliant with Fiat now, and I don't know what the lifespan is about. But I can't really be friends with such a high-growth racing emme.
Are even 2 turbochargers 😉
Wrong!
I know… "the little turbo" was also related to the engine. Not a turbocharger. The other machine is a sucker
Hach yes, the dear common sense and earlier everything was better;-)))
At the end of the 80s, we had a Daihatsu Charade. It wasn't the little one called Cuore. The Charade was a number over it, so Polo format. Unprobably great car, despite the somewhat turbulent plastic in the interior. Not least because of the engine. We had the second-hot version, the 1.3 with 96 hp. At that time, it was considered a hysterical rotary organ and everyone expected that the engine would burst immediately, given the liter performance almost on motorcycle level. Strangely, not a few VAG products burst in the acquaintance much earlier and the Charade lived two, three times as long.
The hottest variant would have been a turbo version of the 1.0-liter three-cylinder, which I thought was 120 hp. And these cars have died today of course – but not because of the engine, but because of 1) grate 2) Long nothing 3) gear.
You can see how you want or how you have made experiences. my first was a Passat Bj 76, 1.3 liter and 55 hp which has no symptoms of failure at 250k.
With two acquaintances who both had a cadet D, it looked different. 1 with 1.3 he machine 75 HP and one with the 1.6s and 90 hp.
Even if something was exaggerated, it was about 150k so that it was called on the tank, "Look for fuel and make oil full!"
Compared to the VW, the Opel was already at the time. But did not necessarily have the service life like the VW. Exceptions confirm the rule!
The 0.9 Twinair is a biturbo engine is wrong.
aaah yes, understood…!
what's wrong?
Engine & Power Transmission
Internal motor name
Type of construction:
Number of cylinders: 4
Installation position: front engine transverse
Capacity: 1242 cm3
Power: 51 kW (69 hp) at 5500 rpm
Hole x stroke: 70.8 x 78.86 mm
Compression: 11.1:1
Valves/cylinders: 2
Position of the camshaft and valves: hanging valves, upper camshaft
camshaft drive
Mixed preparation: injection, multipoint
Charging: No
max. Dehmoment: 102 Nm at 3000 rpm
So a friend has the 1.2 and is very happy with it so far. It's almost 3 years old and hasn't been anything yet 🙂
take one with 4 cylinders