Feigenbaum erfroren – wird das noch was?

Hallo!

Ich habe letztes Jahr einen Feigenbaum gesetzt, der dann auch schön angewachsen ist.
nun hat er durch das zeitige Frühjahr schon stark ausgetrieben. Vergangene Nacht gab es jedoch Frost von -4 Grad! Nun sind die Austriebe alle kross und zerbröseln wenn man sie berührt.
die Fruchtansätze hingegen sehen noch gut aus.
meine frage: treibt der Baum dieses Jahr noch mal aus? Werden die Feigen die jetzt dran hängen noch was oder sind sie auch geschädigt und man sieht es nur noch nicht?

vielen Dank euch..

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Douka
11 months ago

Good evening,

No, your real fig (Ficus carica) is unfortunately irrevocably lost.

When a subtropical plant was once frozen, it usually does not drive out. Highest large, old trees from the subtropes can get some frost.

And there Ficus carica is one of the subtropical plants, up to 10 meters high foliage or shrub from the hard-leaf vegetation and the foliage and mixed forest of the Pontian Mountains, from the foliage and mixed forest of the Caucasus, the hard-leaf vegetation and the hard-leaf and mixed forest of the Mediterranean.

Brown Turkey, Brunswick and Ronde de figs Bordeaux even maintains temperatures of up to -15°C. However, these temperatures should only be achieved in absolute exceptional cases even in these varieties. Because it is preferred to have a genuine fig at a location with mild winters where average low temperatures of up to 5 °C are reached, and hot summers where average peak temperatures of up to 28 °C are reached.

Greetings

Douka

This information comes from my biology study, my geography study, my internship as gardener in a garden center, “Jenny Linford BÄUME REALS AND BESTIMMEN P PaRagon Bath • New York • Singapore • Hong Kong • Cologne • Delhi • Melbourne Copyright © Parragon Books Ltd Design and Realization: Atlantic Publishing Photos: see page 256 for detailed photo credits Dr. Carola Wink, Dossenheim, https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echte_Feige [22 April 2024]; https://www.baumschule-horstmann.de/shop/exec/product/65/2530/Feige.html# [22 April 2024]; https://feigen.bueschken.com/ideales-klimafuer-feigen/ [22 April 2024] as well as “Haack Weltatlas Medienpaket including: • Exercise software on CD-ROM • Arbeitsheft Kartenlesen mit Atlasführerschein Nordrhein-Westfalen Klett 1. edition © Ernst Klett Verlag GmbH, Stuttgart 2015. Ernst Klett Verlag Stuttgart • Gotha.

Rheinflip
11 months ago
Reply to  Douka

Your judgment contradicts any horticultural experience. The figs that are cultivated here in Germany usually drive out

Blumenacker
7 months ago
Reply to  Rheinflip

Biologists are not gardeners.

Douka
11 months ago
Reply to  Rheinflip

No, I’m just telling people the scientifically sound facts.

I’ve never said that the real fig (Ficus carica) wouldn’t wear any frost.

I just said that only certain fig varieties – in particular Brown Turkey, Brunswick and Ronde de Bordeaux – are hardy up to – 15 °C. But also that the Ficus carica, which grows up to 10 meters high in tree or shrub shape, prefers mild winter and hot summer due to its subtropical homeland. This is the current knowledge of Ficus carica.

In addition, only at the beginning of my answer, because of the already crumbling and when touching, the still very small fig, I assumed that it should already be dead. Because the already deceased shoots and the fact that small subtropical trees are taking frost worse than large subtropical trees suggest that the fig of the questioner is unfortunately already dead.

Douka
7 months ago

That sounds very interesting.

I have great respect for gardeners and animal nurses because I know exactly what these people do every day, how hard their work is and how much these people can do.

Between July 2021 and June 2024 I also collected some practice in the professions gardeners and animal nurses, as I worked in several horticultural establishments and an animal park during this period. Although the work was very exhausting, the cold, the wind, the rain, the sun and the heat were very burdensome and sometimes I have also attracted one or other injury. But on the whole, I liked the work as a gardener or animal nurse very well. Because I like to work with animals and plants and I like to be outside.

But I wouldn’t call myself an expert in horticultural or animal care. For this I have worked much too rarely and much too short in these professions. There are many people who have much more knowledge and craft skills in these areas. You have a lot more practical experience than gardeners than I have. And I’m honestly glad you’re also a gardener.

Blumenacker
7 months ago

I still have a good friend from childhood days who has a completed biology study. He was an employee of a botanical garden in a German city and even wrote a doctoral thesis on a botanical theme.

My knowledge of horticulture stems from the former secondary farming of my parents, from individual specialist courses, specialist literature and, above all, from the decades of observations of my own cultivation experiments.
I am, therefore, a layman in horticulture, as far as vocational training is concerned.

The diploma biologist has returned to his home for a few years ago for family reasons and has now for the first time in his life a proper garden that he also uses abundantly.

Our exchange of information has since been such that in the field of horticulture the diploma biologists asks far more questions to me, the layman, than vice versa.

This experience explains my comment:

Biologists are not gardeners.

By the way, this finding is not meant to be delimiting or degrading. This fact is quite plausible from different fields of activity.
If a biologist and a “gardener” add up, something better can’t happen to you.

Douka
7 months ago

Right.

And that’s exactly what I did. – I realized that my originally formulated statement was too absolute and therefore to be relativized by other cases. – The natural sciences also live to a certain degree of the principle of “exploration and error”.

In the natural sciences one researches in the sense of positivism. In positivism, it is about being able to recognize things through their own perception of the senses and to be able to check them with various methods. – That is to say, one observes processes occurring in nature, performs experiments, repeats the individual experiments, evaluates the experiments and finally sets up a theory. In the end, however, the theory thus created is not per se correct.

This is also not the claim of a theory. A theory can be resisted by an even more logical theory. This is the case in biology and also in physical geography.

Finally, in the natural sciences, it is not a matter of establishing a theory that is valid for all times, but of making a meaningful statement among the current possibilities with the data base currently available.

Douka
7 months ago

That’s right.

Because biologists lack practice. And the experience.

For this purpose, biologists, in particular botanists, know very much about what plant species this is, what role the corresponding plant species plays in the ecosystem and how the corresponding plant is and works. – This means that botanists can best explain how the plant is taxonomic and why the plant reacts.

However, biologists lack the experience in dealing with plants, as this is not part of their studies.

In the bachelor’s degree, one is sometimes out in the grounds to encounter species at their natural location, although it often determines and prepares animals and plants and performs physical or chemical experiments more often, but the vast majority of the bachelor’s degree is based on the chemical and physical basics. And that’s all theory. I always say, “The biology degree may consist of 60% of chemistry. And maybe 10% from physics.”

Rheinflip
7 months ago

Good biologists would recognize mistakes

Douka
11 months ago

Well, maybe the statement was “no, your real fig (Ficus carica) is unfortunately irrevocably lost.”

But if the shoots of the real figs are already crucified and crumble when touched, they are definitely dead. Since the fig of Benjamin598 is a fig tree set in the last year (= 2023), it would have to be very small – as well as the words “, which then also grew beautifully.” Then again the realization that large old trees from the subtropic frost are better tolerated than small, young trees from the subtropics.

No, a non-winter-hard real fig from southern Italy would most likely die at temperatures of -4 °C – especially if it is still a plug. Temperatures from 5 to 28 °C are recommended for a non-winterhard Ficus carica.

Only the hardy brown figs Brown Turkey, Brunswick and Ronde de Bordeaux have significant negative degrees of up to -15°C. If the fig of Benjamin598 is a Brown Turkey, Brunswick or Ronde de Bordeaux, it could regenerate after this cold shock. The still good-looking fruit approaches also speak for this. However, for regeneration, I would first put them in the significantly warmer apartment and put them out again in May. Then the fig could run out again with good care.

Rheinflip
11 months ago

You say this coward is completely lost. Because of the information we know, this is probably not durable, even a fig from southern Italy would most likely survive these short photos.

Vogtlandrapper
11 months ago

Don’t worry. The fig’s going back. But the harvest will not last this year.

Douka
11 months ago
Reply to  Vogtlandrapper

If this is Brown Turkey, Brunswick and Ronde de Bordeaux, yes.

Sonnenschein944
11 months ago

The fruits will be spoiled. It remains to be seen whether new buds come next to the frozen shooters, more to expect deeper from old wood. I’m not gonna cut back yet.

Rheinflip
11 months ago

The vast majority of figs survive relatively easily a small frost, which then just drive out again. In the worst case, you have to do without the harvest for a year, but the tree continues to live.

Douka
11 months ago
Reply to  Rheinflip

It depends on the figs. – If it is Ficus carica of Brown Turkey, Brunswick or Ronde de Bordeaux, the appropriate fig trees can even withstand temperatures of up to -15°C.

However, it is also true for these very hardy varieties that these temperatures should only be achieved in absolute exceptional cases, as Ficus carica is most likely to be located in a mild winter and hot summer location due to its subtropical homeland. Ideally, average low temperatures of up to 5°C and average peak temperatures of up to 28°C are achieved in winter.

Rheinflip
11 months ago
Reply to  Douka

In the many regions, figs have been standing in the gardens for decades, partly also on the edge of the field. Feigen are also not subtropical plants, northern Italy is definitely not one of the subtropics, just as little as the Palatinate or Helgoland.

Douka
11 months ago

However, the real fig (Ficus carica) is a subtropical plant, as it originates from the hard-belief vegetation and the deciduous and mixed forest of the Pontian Mountains, from the deciduous and mixed forest of the Caucasus, the hard-belief vegetation and the deciduous and mixed forest of the Elburs’ as well as the hard-being vegetation and the deciduous forest of the Mediterranean.

The subtropical climate is defined by definition by mild, rainy winter and hot, dry summer. And that’s exactly what it is when looking at the climate diagrams of Sochi, Antalya and Palermo in the Haack World Atlas Media Package in the 1. 2015 edition of the case:

Sochi has significantly higher precipitation rates from August to March than from April to July, while the average January temperature is 5.8 °C and the average July temperature is 22.8 °C.

In Antalya, the months from October to April show much higher rainfall than the months from May to September, while the average January temperature is 10.6 °C and in July even an average temperature of 28.3 °C is achieved.

In Palermo, the months from September to April show much higher precipitation levels than the months from May to August, while the average temperature in January is 10.2°C and the average July temperature is 24.8 °C.

However, by numerous breedings, hardy specimens of the Genuine Feige were also created in the form of Brown Turkey, Brunswick and Ronde de Bordeaux. These are also the fig trees that you see here in Germany mainly in gardens.

Flypaper
11 months ago

My little fig tree on the balcony is quite sturdy and is also regularly mutilated by nem storms. Come on. So I see hope;)

Douka
11 months ago
Reply to  Flypaper

Basically, large, old trees from the subtropes are tolerating some frost. Small, young trees, however, not actually.

With the subtropical Ficus carica up to 10 meters high, it is true that the varieties Brown Turkey, Brunswick and Ronde de Bordeaux can withstand temperatures of up to -15°C.

However, such temperatures should only be achieved in absolute exceptional cases even in these very hardy varieties. Because of their subtropical homeland, Ficus carica is most likely located in a location with mild winters and hot summers. Ideally, average low temperatures of up to 5°C and average peak temperatures of up to 28°C are achieved in winter.