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jbinfo
2 years ago

Who buys a pure e-car now buys an old technique. In the next 3-5 years a lot will be done in this area. There is currently no reason to change to a pure current. Neither the premium is a reason, nor the KM range or even the charging options and charging times. Also the alleged exit of the German manufacturers from the burners is not yet in stone.

Koernchen79
2 years ago

That’s how it’s planned, yes. But since I bought a new car last year, it takes a few years. Until then, a lot can happen.

DodgeRT
2 years ago

what I get after mine is still in the stars. depends on whether I have children, depends on where I live, how often I drive car, whether my friend has a car…

my two are sure to keep a few more years, so I don’t really think so. let’s see how the benzinpreis is developing, let’s see how the infrastructure for e-cars is being expanded, let’s see what e-cars have in a few years.

xdanix77
2 years ago

I do not, inter alia, because self-repair in modern cars is hardly possible and therefore, in my opinion, is not sustainable, we do not have a corresponding access right at the power connection in order to load in acceptable times and the carts are generally higher priced.

HanniManni04
2 years ago
Reply to  xdanix77

Self-repair is in fact no longer possible with modern burners.

xdanix77
2 years ago
Reply to  HanniManni04

Therefore also consciously the formulation “modern cars”.

HanniManni04
2 years ago

Oh, okay. All right.

Havenari
2 years ago

This is at least a reflection with us, but it’s probably only in a few years.

Since we have two cars, an e-small car would be quite sensible – for longer distances (hiking trips, etc.) the larger burner remained. Until this point, the selection of models in question should be significantly greater.

Nicoztz
2 years ago

more sustainable are not really

strom is usually not green

After my GLB comes a G 400 d which is ready next week

DameDePique
2 years ago

Not next, but as another car, I pre-ordered a Tesla Roadster. Now I have to wait until next year.

I will therefore not stop driving gasoline, for that I like my cars too much, but at least I will reduce it.

In addition, I would like to collect comparative values for the first time.

SirKermit
2 years ago

I answer once as a driver of a current:

We’ve got a ZOE down 1.5 years ago and it fits perfectly. Since we are currently installing a solar system, we will soon be able to harvest and use a good part of the “fuel” from the roof itself.

EddiR
2 years ago

Where is an e-car, with current state of the art, please sustainable? No fucking E-karre as long as there are burners. Then heated with rapeseed oil and spirit!

SirKermit
2 years ago
Reply to  EddiR

No fucking e-karre as long as there are burners

Is it less emotional and subjective?

blacksheepkills
2 years ago
Reply to  SirKermit

Take your “sustainable” E-Hobel…

blacksheepkills
2 years ago

From my point of view, however, peasantries. In 10 years, your e-car is a deterrent, just like today’s diesel, which were bought at that time for the scrapping premium…

The fact that a used vehicle is more ecological because it has already been produced is on a completely different sheet. Comparing a new car with your special situation is therefore useless.

99% buy only the e-new car, because the state distributes a few candies. A new diesel or gasoline would probably have bought the least as long as there are no state surcharges. The comparison is very good: where there is no demand, there is no production…

Aha, and first the electric car created the child’s work? And there have been batteries since?

No, of course not, but then please leave the words “sustainability” and “ecologically” away from the e-car.

I mean, seriously, whoever wants to drive such a part is to drive it and become happy with it. But don’t always bring pseudo-arguments like an alibi…

PS (then is the end):

At VW (a group that is no longer likely to exist after the exhaust gas scandal), a charging cable counts as a “additional equipment” and has to be ordered separately! There you can see where the journey actually goes: to take the money out of the bag and the state deserves well! No one thinks about the environment. So let these aspects just be stuck in the future.

SirKermit
2 years ago

Renault Zoe about $30,000. From me, we draw 10,000€ peasant-catchery bonus, so make 20,000€.

We are currently driving with averaged 20 kWh/100km, the macth at 35 cents about 7 euros per 100 km. In addition, there are 10 years of exemption from the car tax and significantly lower annual maintenance costs.

The fact that a used vehicle is more ecological because it has already been produced is on a completely different sheet. Comparing a new car with your special situation is therefore useless. If, then new car with new car. Electric vehicles cut off better. And the greener de electricity, the better it gets.

Our ZOE has a warranty of 7 years or 160000 km on the battery, your diesel too?

For this sustainability, oil is processed into plastic and children are exploited in third world countries for a hunger reward. Let’s not talk about the harmful chemicals, etc, which are necessary for the production of batteries and batteries…

Aha, and first the electric car created the child’s work? And there have been batteries since?

Diesel then comes out of the pumping column immediately and does not need any delivery of crude oil? Oh, yeah, not only with our electric car are plastics made of oil, right?

The reading tip: https://www.store-charge.com/blog/der-oekologische-rucksack-des-diels

If all these factors of energy consumption are taken together, according to Springer, Professionell needed about 42 kWh to produce six liters of diesel. And the clou is: With the same amount, an electric car can travel by 200 kilometers.

For this €60,000 I can get 12,000 litres of diesel for €5/L

Typically, PV systems cost around 1200 to 1400 euros per installed kWp. 22000 euros, the yield is annually averaged 800 kWh per kWp, making about 13000 kWh.

We consume approx. 4500 kWh (budget flow and heat pump) and once again 4000 kWh for the ZOE at a driving power of 20000 km per year.

Our PV can thus supply the lion share of electricity for our house and the ZOE. After 10 years, the plant has amortised, with 33 cents per kWh being assumed and an annual increase in electricity prices of 4%.

The electricity from the roof then costs about 6 cents per kWh and remains fixed. After 10 years I will drive for 1.20 euros per 100 km with electricity (the 20 kWh/100 km consumption) while you want to pay your 5 euros per litre of diesel, i.e. around 25 euros per 100 km.

From my point of view, our version is more sustainable and cheaper. I think.

blacksheepkills
2 years ago

I’d like to do it, because we soon reaped a large share of electricity from our roof. Can you make your fuel yourself?

Simple milkgirl bill: Renault Zoe about 30,000€. From me, we draw 10,000€ peasant-catchery bonus, so make 20,000€…

Then a solar system for €40,000 (all of which do not even charge your Zoe!).

So for the first time, make €60,000 spending on sustainability. For this sustainability, oil is processed into plastic and children are exploited in third world countries for a hunger reward. Let’s not talk about the harmful chemicals, etc, which are necessary for the production of batteries and batteries…

For this €60,000, I can recharge 12,000 liters of diesel for €5/L (I think about the future) and thus reach about 200,000km, which means for my circumstances about 15 to 20 years.

Even if I buy the next used diesel at this time, I’m cheaper and more sustainable than you. And we’re not talking about your broken battery in the Zoe, which, after 10 years, comes back to about 8000€…

So listen to this and tell me about sustainability.

EddiR
2 years ago

I’m not talking about the biodiesel pulp, but about rapeseed oil. Biodiesel is nix! therefore it is already added to the normal diesel. And if I use a diesel for 1 year, I run the risk that the injection pump, lines and injection nozzles will rust because the crap will decompose and attack the bare steel parts!

PS: If we can grow corn to produce biogas when we consider cereals as fuel for heating… Then we must have enough agricultural areas!

RefaUlm
2 years ago

How many times does that happen?

Do you notice yourself? 😉

xdanix77
2 years ago

Only that from 40 km/h the tyres are louder than the engine

You’ve never heard an 18-year-old with Papa’s BMW on the red lights.

RefaUlm
2 years ago

Suddenly only the tires are louder than the engine from 40 km/h and since E-cars produce a multiple of fine dust due to their high weight + louder rolling noise, these residents will suffer even more 😂👍

SirKermit
2 years ago

I’d like to do it, because we soon reaped a large share of electricity from our roof. Can you make your fuel yourself?

Thus our plan is already much earlier in the sustainability zone than originally planned. Only because rape is a plant, the production of fuels is not automatically sustainable. An older report from 2013: https://www.wissenschaft.de/technik-digitales/biodiesel-als-co2-schleuder/

More harmful than diesel from oil

As the researchers found, the intervention in the carbon cycle in scenario 1 is so strong that 84 grams of CO2 are released per megajoule produced bioenergy. “This value is already at the level of the normal diesel from fossil fuels,” explains the researchers. According to the EU Commission, its CO2 balance is about 83 grams of CO2 per megajoule. If the additional emissions are calculated by management, refining, transport and distribution, biodiesel from such plantations would be considerably more harmful to the climate than its counterpart of oil. And even in scenario 2, this would be the case where only about half of the land area for the plantation is cleared.

The conclusion of the researcher: Biodiesel from palm oil is not climate-friendly per se. Depending on the land use and effectiveness of forest protection measures, the expansion of the oil palm cultivation can release additional greenhouse gases. Yui and Yeh also considered only the consequences for the CO2 balance of land in their study. The ecological and socio-economic effects of a transformation of forest and other natural biotopes into palm oil plantations are also added. The researchers believe that these consequences can be avoided at least in part if biodiesel raw materials are grown in the future only on already agriculturally used areas.

(Great from me)

As always, it depends.

In the end, the train has departed, combustors will be heavily decimated, which is particularly likely to delight the inhabitants of heavily trafficked roads when the thunder wedges become much quieter.

ProxiCent
2 years ago

No, I’m staying with my plan next year to buy the 330i from’m leasing.

RefaUlm
2 years ago

Never ever!

Before I get another 3-4 burners 😁👍