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NoONS
5 months ago

Number 4 is a His. The His = a C.

The reason why this was written is because a registered C in this conductor would be a cis with these signs. However, it would have been less confusing, if they had written a C with resolution mark before, His is a very unusual notation.

The # in the clock only applies to the respective clock. At 8 it’s a normal H.

selbrgschraubt
5 months ago
Reply to  NoONS

However, it would have been less confusing, if they had written a C with resolution mark before, His is a very unusual notation.

Always amusing when people think they knew better than Beethoven.

NoONS
5 months ago
Reply to  selbrgschraubt

Good improvement.

upbrunce
5 months ago
Reply to  selbrgschraubt

Exactly, thank you.

selbrgschraubt
5 months ago

You’re wrong. A his is not c. The control tone of the key cis-moll is located at the elevated 7th stage and is derived from the stem tone h which becomes his. Otherwise, you would have two tribal tones in the Moll-Tonleiter, namely the c and the cis, which is not in a 7-stage mollton conductor.

upbrunce
5 months ago

This is the case in the compromise solution of the same-level mood. But if we go out of pure mood, that’s not the case. With regard to harmonic function, and that’s why Beethoven didn’t have a choice to write as here, you’re also wrong.

NoONS
5 months ago

Rarely read such an inconceivable bullshit. A His is a C is a Des. Anyone who hasn’t checked it can’t help him. Is the same physical vibration and thus the same sound with different designations.

upbrunce
5 months ago

Well, a His is not C, even if the button on the piano is the same. And this sound is just a His, so he is also noted. Selbrgschraubt admits it perfectly.

Haralder
5 months ago

The h is increased by a halftone and thus becomes his. On a keyboard instrument there is not this sound, so you play that c. For example, in a sheet metal blowing instrument such as trombone, trumpet and co, you actually play the his, which is approximately between h and c. By the way, with old harpsichords (or as the majority) instruments, they had broken black keys. So a button for the cis and one for the one. There was also often an ice cream and a His. There was a ces or fes but as far as I don’t know…

werna
5 months ago

There is a histories instead of a C because that corresponds to the harmonious function of the note. This is to be understood as a great term of the Dominante.

The moonlight Sonata is in C# minor and a C would be interpreted as a reduced basic tone.

However, this is to be understood as an increased seventh note of the C# minor tone ladder, so H#.

If you take the C# minor, then you have C# minor as a tonic, F# minor as a subdominant and G# minor as a dominant.

In Dur you would have C# major, F# major and G# major, and there the Dominante leads back to the Tonika because you have an H# in the G# major chord as a terz that acts as a lead to a half-tone step above it.

If you want to have such a strong tendency of the dominant to the tonic in Moll, you take G# major instead of G# minor as a dominant.

The whole is called “harmonic moll”

And since a chord consists of terzen, G# major.Akkord consists of G#, H#, D#.

Enharmonically confused, G#, C, D# would be the same tone, but that would be a quarter and second and not two thirds.

That’s why it’s written that it’s harmoniously correct.

l0jli
5 months ago

Signs always apply to the entire clock, exception if it has a resolution mark, so the 2nd note is also played as c.