Count triads?

Hello, I don't know why I just don't understand it: How do you decide whether to use # or b when counting triads, for example? I just don't understand it. I have an essay tomorrow and I feel so bad because I can't figure it out. It would be best to have an explanation that really helps and helps you understand how it works. 🫠 (best explained for someone who's stupid). Here's a picture:

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Willy1729
11 months ago

Hello,

You must observe the tribal tones.

Each triad on C, for example, has the tribal tones C, E and G.

C-E-G is a thirsty-three sound (first the big, then the small terz). You don’t need any sign at C as a basic tone. But if you want to make the whale sound, you need the little terz first. It must be something with E.

If C-E is a big terz, C-It is a small one. Since Es-G is again a big one, everything fits.

For the reduced triad, You still lower the G next to the E, so C-Es-Ges. It would be two big ancestors over each other.

So C-E-Gis. Since it must always be something with C, E and G, you can’t do it at all.

With A as a basic tone, you still need the stem tones C and E:

A major (first big, then small terz): A-Cis-E; a-moll (first small, then big terz):

A-C-E; A reduced (two small terces): A-C-Es; A excessive (two large terzens):
A-Cis ice.

So you always write down the tribal tones first, so Grundton as first, the third and the fifth tone from the basic tone, calculated afterwards. Then you can consider which signs you have to give this trinket for the four possible trinities. Never deviate from the trunk tones!

D-Ges-A would not be a correct three-tone, even if it sounds like the thirsty sound D-Fis-A and is also beaten to the same piano keys, because G is the tribal tone of D from the (if D is counted) fourth tone (D-E-F-G). But you need the third tone, i.e. the tribal tone F, which is then provided with the necessary signs, depending on the type of trinity.

Thus, in the basic position always: tribal tone 1, tribal tone 3, tribal tone 5 in the order of the tone conductors with the corresponding basic tone.

Of course, it is also possible to reverse three-length: instead of the order 1-3-5 as the first reversal 3-5-1 (basic tone has evolved from bottom to top), as the second reversal 5-1-3 (the tones 1 and 3 have evolved upwards). But here too, the tribal tones 1, 3 and 5 are always in play (from the basic tone).

Best regards,

Willy

Willy1729
11 months ago
Reply to  Puunica

If the interval from the lower tone is too large, you set a b, it is too small, you set a #. Always work from bottom to top. The lowest tone is in the basic position the basic tone, which must not be changed. If you have adjusted the middle tone, the top of it comes.

Willy1729
11 months ago

Once you get the bow out, it’s not even so difficult.

Willy1729
11 months ago

Great. But stay on the ball. The mastery of the three-length and the conductors is the basis of the teaching of harmony. This must be done so that you can understand the later fabric.

lxnnart99
11 months ago

What you mean is d thirs, you’re right with fis and not, then you’ve obviously understood

lxnnart99
11 months ago

You only need to know the basic tones of the chord, and then the cross or b sign must be in front of the corresponding tone. For example, if you have the Dur Dreiklang C-E-G then you prove that the corresponding minor must be C-Es-G and not C-Dis-G, although it would be the same in principle, in music theory it would be different defined, so always judge yourself according to the principle.

What you hope you know:
– Dur Dreiklang: Great Terz -> Small Terz
– Moll Trial: Small Terz -> Large Terz

Either way, the third tone is a pure quint, so it remains the same with thirs and moll, it only changes the second tone. Again in Example C Moll:
If you had C-Dis-G, the dis would be of the D, which would correspond to a big second, but you need a terz you know, the E the “Grundton of the second sound” and you have to set a b sign in front of him.

Here are some exercises for you that you can check again if you understood:

D minor: d-f-a
G Moll: g-b-d
Fis Dur: fis-ais-cis (a would be moll, so is ais dur)
E Dur: e-gis-h
A Dur: a-cis-e
Ges Moll: s-h-d
It Moll: es-ges-b
F Moll: f-as-c

Hope you could understand it because really easier than I and the others have explained it here will not go anymore

Good luck for your work tomorrow