Can black holes in a computer simulation be a kind of data swamp?
I've thought about it for a while and see parallels between the concept and information technology and astrophysics.
Information paradox:
According to the basic principles of quantum theory, information cannot disappear, but black holes seem to be able to destroy it —everything that falls into a black hole would ultimately be transformed into uniform Hawking radiation…
Data swamp:
It is a data repository whose data is no longer useful for business analysis due to missing metadata, broken relationships and poor organization.
Your opinion?
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Maybe. Or a sort of extinguishing function
Thanks for the star
There is a great difference between “destroy information” and “information no longer usefully usable”. If interpretation of data is no longer easy, its structure is still existent. Count for example the number of high vs. low bits – and these remained preserved. In this way, missing allocation did not constitute an extermination of information, but merely a repositioning outside easy accessibility.
Yeah, well, but that could happen with information in the black hole. You wouldn’t be destroyed but unusable for us, which is also consistent with the observations of us, would you?
The information paradox does not happen in the SL. On the other hand, the information paradox is obtained only if the SL is viewed from the outside by the event horizon.
What comes out of the hawking radiation should be rather a real noise because the emission of this radiation is purely based on quantum mechanical coincidence.
That’s what I see.
It’s a bit different. Your example is about pure coincidence.
I’m talking about ham
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Or an infinitely typing monkey could write up any book in this world.
I don’t know why you want to pull this paralle, but there are certain similarities.
As already said, if one wishes to draw between a very large number of parallels, it is a completely different question.
This is like some people claim every great event of world history is encoded in the Bible.
Speaks for a data hull.
What I did was that nobody knows how to do it, so it doesn’t help to know that it might be that way.
There are many end-time theory for the universe that speaks of the penrose is one of them. By the way, this theory has nothing to do with the hawking radiation, these are two shoes.
The information paradox is a problem between the QM and the description of black holes. IdR assumes that black holes somehow emit the information just you don’t know how.
At some point, evaporate all black holes so the time course of the universe begins again….
According to this model of Roger Penrose the universe always expands until all matter has decayed and become light.. This environment, in which there is no longer a time or space reference to each other, produces a new “green bang”.
If the SL disappears completely, but you have never seen a SL really “evaporate” and the Hawking radiation is also not measurable.
Purely from her theory, she should be pure coincidence and that’s the problem.
Before postulation of the hawking radiation it was even more complicated because the black hole did not radiate at that time.
Wouldn’t all the information after complete evaporation of the SL be finally destroyed? Or could not have a little structure in the noise?
The data in the depot is still there. Like in the black hole. Or do the data evaporate from the depot?
Evtl disintegrates the data carrier to dust. And then the information from the depot would still be there.
You could throw the dust in the air and with a likelihood that isn’t zero, a hard drive will come back together with the depot. This allows you to reverse all processes of entropy. It’s not very likely.
But if you have infinite attempts, the probability is always 100%
Well, your explanation refutes the fact that an infinitely typing monkey has written all the books of the world at some point. However, the probability is almost zero.
That wasn’t my intention. If the monkey is infinite, he writes all the books.
Like that?
The occurrence of a certain string in an infinite string has not only 100% probability, it even occurs infinitely often.
So the monkey writes all the books infinitely often. Or did you hear anything else?
Yes, but the acceptance was restored
I’m not a specialist, but I think the information is being destroyed. If the previous physics considers this impossible, it would have to be changed. However, only the information that the incident particle itself carries would be destroyed. Since radiation (heat, light) has emitted before reaching the event horizon and the gravity of the particle is still present (the gravity moves like light with speed of light), there is the information at another point or at least a part thereof.
Ohhh interesting point….
if data is not physical, they cannot be influenced by gravitation.
and since there are only theories and no real investigations about a black hole, there is still philosophen fantasies
Parallene can be drawn everywhere if you look for any connections, whether they are meaningful at the end is another question.
However, I do not see the parallel completely, because in a data hull only the metadata is missing but the data is still there. At a SL, it’s just gonna get out.
If you were to encrypt the data in the data hull with a pseudonym, you would rather be able to use the analogy.
Vlt hasn’t we known what really happened to the data in a black hole? Can it be that matter is only broken down into its basic components or that mass and energy are lost, but information is retained?
Information could, for example, remain in a parallel world in which physical laws do not apply. Vulgo: “Spiritual World”
Yes you don’t know what’s happening in the SL, but it doesn’t matter for the information paradox.
The information paradox is pure so that you can’t see what happens in the SL, that’s all at the end. It doesn’t matter what’s really going on in the SL with this paradox. Even if the information in the SL continues, it is no longer observable.
According to theory, the hawking radiation should be purely susceptible and therefore this paradox exists.
You don’t know, but you don’t know. It would cause quantum theory to be inconvenient….
https://www.trum.de/magazin/das-informationsparadoxon-bei-schwarzen-loechern/823827
Why if you say that reality is simulated, there are no problems for our physics. We almost see a black hole as we observe, in reality it is a growing data leak that is a regional data hull for the programmers.
Although it is not possible for us to observe events beyond the event horizon, we can read data with missing metainformation. In one case, we lack the possibility of access, in the other only the relationship of the data to each other, but access remained. What SLr and data hulls have an essential and fundamental difference. This could speak against a data hull hypothesis in a simulated reality.