Persuade the owner to sell?
A friend of mine has a well-mixed herd of mares and geldings on her farm, ranging in age from 10 to 28. It's actually a truly harmonious herd; they have plenty of space, yet it's never boring.
However, one of the geldings (a warmblood, 1.78m tall, approximately 10 years old) is completely under-exercised, as the owner no longer rides or lunges him, let alone visits him. According to my friend, the owner hasn't been back since the horse was brought to the farm (she and the horse had a minor accident, and she lost confidence in the animal). The gelding has been unused for about three years, but is in really good shape (muscle-wise).
The bigger problem my friend has is that the gelding isn't getting enough exercise and tends to cause some unrest in the group when he wants attention. He gallops, jumps, and romps, thus spurring on a 15-year-old warmblood gelding, who, of course, also enjoys it. This then causes even more unrest in the group (the 15-year-old is also only ridden to a limited extent).
My friend wanted to buy the "troublemaker" from her, since the owner can't do anything with him anymore and apparently doesn't want to. But she doesn't want to sell the animal either.
I would also take the gelding (I have a farm with 3 of my own horses and 2 boarders and still have a box available), but she won't sell the animal to me either.
Can I convince her somehow?
The horse would be better off with me. I know a lot about "problem horses," I have a large farm, I would work the horse on the ground and possibly ride it again (but it's not a must). I have a stumbling gelding here myself and I know a lot about these animals. His stature would also be a perfect fit for my crew.
If she were to sell him, how much more could she ask for? I'm guessing around €700-1000. Do you think that's okay? The horse has been unused for years, is only partially rideable, and hasn't been worked on, walked, or anything like that.
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A 10-year-old horse (health?) is definitely worth more than just the battle price.
What is the reason that the horse can only be traveled to a limited extent? What are the diseases there?
Why do you want to get the horse? If it does not want to sell at this dumping price.
If he still has some papers around and might have a really good descent, then no matter what the price is about 5,000 euros.
Who says you can’t just have a horse for fun without riding it?
Someone’s talking about money – a lot of money.
I honestly do not understand the issue.
The owner has a horse, ensures that it is housed in an appropriate manner and is good. So she has fulfilled her duty as a horse owner. The fact that she doesn’t want to use the horse as a riding horse, etc. is her good right – the horse doesn’t have to be worked if she doesn’t want to.
I can’t imagine that he “bricks” the group as you call it. Wallache likes to play now – they do that even with 20 years. This is not a sign that the horse would possibly not be loaded – provided the herd has enough space to move enough.
If your girlfriend doesn’t fit the woman as an adjuster, then she can cancel her completely normal while maintaining the notice period. Then the horse is out of the herd and is good.
But the Besi wants to squash the horse at a ridiculous price just because it does not ride it I find personally impossible. Of course, you can kindly ask if the horse would possibly be for sale and if yes at what price – but if the Besi wants to hear nothing of it, that’s okay and you have to respect.
In my stable there are also several horses, the owners of which I only see when the forge or veterinarian comes and who otherwise stand exclusively with us on the pasture and enjoy their lives. People know that the animals are good at me, that I take a look every day on whether everything is okay and that they can rely on them to be properly supplied. So where’s the problem? For me as a stable operator, these are the favorite adjusters – they do not have any problems, have no unnecessary requirements etc. I would never come to the idea that their horses could be bad…
Sure, just keep it as if I wanted to do it to her, and I’d be a useful man… I have use for the animal, pity with the animal and would employ it and even clean what the owner does not do. I’d like to give her 3000 for the horse or more if she wants to… It’s not like I wanted to give it…
And he is so unloaded, I often see it enough when I’m visiting.
A horse like him should be demanded at least from the head. So what brings her to have the “dead capital” in the stable… But you know what, I’m talking about walls…
You asked for answers here, so you also have to expect that the vll. do not fall out in your sense. Should you really animate to think about the matter again and above all whether your reaction and accusations of the Besi are not a little overridden.
Once again – a horse standing in open-stall posture, enough space to move freely and has fellows around it, does not need employment by man and also no plasters and co. The only thing that must be logical is regular health control, hoofshy, deviation, etc. As long as the Besi dad takes care of her, you can’t blame her. As I said, I even have several such cases in the stable and can tell you that none of these horses are bad. And whether the owner wants to stand in the stable or not is not your decision?
I’m sorry, but I find it impossible to make someone bad here just because he lets his horse be horse. There are so many neglected horses in the world – then take care of them if you want to help.
Pity? He’s looking forward to his life. Tobs, with others on the pasture, feed, what more do you want?
As I have already written in my answer, the horse is worth a lot despite everything.
No one goes to what she does with her horse for as long as he has movement, fodder and fellows. It is also not a “dead capital” that stands on the meadow, but as you say, “quic sticky capital”.
By the way, you don’t need a horse to keep open.
Well, if you also make such statements to the owner, as in the comments here I can quite understand why this does not want to sell the horse to you. The horse to be called “dead capital” for the owner is already a little measured. Everyone can decide how to spend his money and if the owner still likes to spend it for her horse, even though she may not be able to use it as others imagine it is her beer and her decision. Otherwise, it is always smeared when horses are sold because they are no longer usable, here it is the case that the owner does not want to separate herself from her horse and then it is not right again. If the horse of your acquaintances is “satisfied” in the stable, then the adjuster can quit, but that’s why you hardly have to offer them several sales offers.
The woman will have her reasons why she doesn’t want to sell the horse. The question as to how to convince such an owner to buy is similar to the question of how to convince his parents to buy a horse. Not at all. Either you want, or you don’t want to. If the Wallach is really so bad, it’s a matter of the stable owner to talk to the woman how this can be regulated, but that doesn’t have to culminate in the sale for a long time.
This intention in connection with your statement “I have use for the horse” sounds quite like “I am looking for a favorable horse”. Even if this isn’t your intention, it’s kind of over.
And as I said, guardians don’t like…
As a owner, I wouldn’t want to sell my horse to someone who tells me that my horse is “just standing around and I should sell it to him for appel and an egg.” He would be pretty down with me and I probably wouldn’t even give the horse if he offered me a top price – just because I would find it as a owner unharmed and angry if someone wanted to make me regulations what I would have to do with my horse and possibly would come with me, “it was better for the horse because of me…”. The horse is apparently on the hook, has mates to play, nothing needs to do. Actually, it’s an ideal condition.
In short, if you argue with the owner as you write here, I would feel you as unharmed and arrogant (sorry, if that sounds a bit hard now, but with me it would come so far and I think that the owner is not very willing to sell her horse, otherwise she could have already responded to the offers of you and the stable owner).
I find the answer from Fuchssprung very good that you should first find out what the owner wants for her horse and then make a corresponding offer. I think the price you are looking for is too low. Why do you value the horse as a “conditional” rideable? It’s a little contrary to your pricing. As an owner, I would have the impression that you were just about getting on a horse. Another reason I’m sure my horse won’t sell you.
As I said, I would rethink my argument and find out why the owner wants to retain the horse and, if necessary, find a positive point of approach why the owner would benefit from a sale. But certainly not with the argumentation “For me he has better and I know myself with problem horses.” After all, no one likes to be guardians and with someone who wants something, should you let it be;-)
There’s no way to talk about it – not if you want to “survey” it with a “consumer crowd”. One way is to offer her a ridiculously high sum, which she can’t beat, but do you want that?
Vllt would it be more absurd to make the proposal to seek a riding share for the Wallach? Then he’ll get employment.
I wouldn’t necessarily push the play of the Wallache to the lack of utilisation. My Wallach is working in any way almost every day and then plays with his mates still very rabiat.
If you want to buy him, you won’t get him for the price. 700 euro is below the slaughter price. rectify the horse about 650kg. x 1,30 euro (kilo price)
the slaughter price would be around the 800-850 euro.
the horse is rideable (why actually “reitable” if you don’t know, because nothing is done with the horse?), so usable.
for a warm-blooded in the old without special training, but “unused”, you pay about 4,500-5,000 euros.
under this you do not need to suggest to the owner. I just think she doesn’t want to give away the horse. but even if you still offer so much – if she doesn’t want to sell him, that’s her thing.
he is also not a problem horse, but only not exhausted, and male horses play once they are kept in group. by the way, that’s still at the end of 20… so it’s not to blur, but to play.
I’m always happy when mine plays and runs and has fun… because if it’s sick, it doesn’t.
Because he had a tendon cut and cannot compensate for unevenness. He’s a problem horse, so it’s not… He woke up very nicely, I’m more often at the court and see it there.
Horses can’t wake up.
I am also happy when they play, and if they play properly, it can be a good thing.
if he does not lie constantly on the nose, he can very well compensate unevenness.
I don’t think so. more of a nerve cut.
Sounds like playing horses. Where do you see rest? If a horse is plucked in a targeted manner, does not come to eat or he does evil to others, then you can only talk about it.
No. Honestly? I can understand them. Especially in the old stable, I have often tried to buy my wallach because we don’t fit together. This statement is not quite wrong. But I would never sell him. I just don’t have confidence in people out there. Especially since I also had an accident and speak of experience – it takes time. Much time. As long as the horse is properly accommodated, it is completely fine.
But even if I agreed to you – her horse, her decision. You can’t do that anymore.
She doesn’t want to sell him and you should accept that the amount you want to pay is really a joke (sorry).
I’d like to see some dead horses. This is what my 2 (both Wallach) likes to do on the coupling and there is even a horse in the stable, which likes to take up the box and walk. My horse has already “freed” and both have gone for a walk.
If your acquaintance has a problem with the horse, then he can tell the owner that she is supposed to be looking for something new for her horse.
Depending on how the horse is trained and what it has for a descent, it can also be more. So it’s only 10 still has potential. But if she doesn’t want, she doesn’t want
Considers rideable, if ever… So potential is such a thing. It is not suitable for sports or competition. He doesn’t have well-known.
Nevertheless, you must pay more for a warm-blooded
If you don’t want, you’ll get money
If she doesn’t want to sell it, that’s it. Desire can she like so much for the horse, after all you are who want to buy it or “survey” it. Would I say to the demand that my horse is uncommercial and someone answers something á la “Come on you do with it anyway, I give you for the (physically apparently fit and not very old) I would not be cooperative either. If you want to ask if you can work the horse because you like it or something. That would be more beautiful packaged.
It doesn’t sound like it’s bad for the horse. Enough runout and social contact sounds like DEM horse life. They do not have to be processed. If they are looking for employment, they are playing with each other just how to notice it with him and the 15 year old. They’re alive, they’re dead. If you want to stop it, you can put it in a stable where they can only stand around.
If I wanted this animal from her, I would have a classic sales talk with her. First of all, through specific questions, I would find out what is important to her on this horse, what is important to her on the other horses, how important she is to rest in the group, etc. I would ask her questions about questions and any answer from her, which seems to me well suited as an entry, I would store in my head and use what I do with her as an argument against her. Because after the many questions comes my offer. With the questions I find out what she wants. Maybe it’s not just money. Maybe something else is important to her. I have to find out with my questions and put them in my offer. If she gives me arguments with her answers, the better!
If you only offer her a price for the horse, it won’t take you any more because she doesn’t want to sell. So you need to find out her motives and you need to find out what she wants.