Ascites in the aquarium?
Hi!
I'm a bit desperate. 3-4 days ago I noticed that the scales of the redhead tetras in my tank looked strange. I googled "ruffled scales, dropsy", and I panicked. It's affecting about half the school and possibly more animals. When you have a diagnosis like that in mind, every pregnant guppy belly looks dangerous. I did a half water change, tried to catch the redhead tetras but failed, and I panicked even more. I stopped so as not to make the healthy animals more susceptible to disease through stress. While chasing the fish, however, I noticed that one fish that had already caught my attention with its slightly disorganized swimming style and that I assume/assumed was already half dead had become so entangled in a large, algae-covered and tangled plant that it could only free itself when I ripped the entire thing out. Now he's swimming around with his tail in a shaggy manner, but normally with the others (at least the number hasn't changed). That was three days ago, and I keep thinking that one of his bellies is too big or something, but there's nothing unusual. Just the shaggy scales. I'm thinking (or rather, hoping) that it could be an injury caused by the plant. It's limited to the red-headed tetras, which are actually more susceptible to disease, and that's strange. The scales seem to be a bit crisscrossed in places, but in one of the animals, it's just a single scale. They simply refract light differently.
I monitor the whole thing every day; maybe in the end, I'll have to make sure I remove the easily catchable, healthy ones from the tank, as well as the easily catchable, very sick ones. I have no idea for the life of me how to get the redhead tetras out, let alone without making the others vulnerable. Will this salt treatment help? I have guppies, mollies, neons, catfish, snails, and a widowed young angelfish, and I'm keeping the redhead tetras.
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Hello
the answer of @dsupper is completely correct, but where are the plants in your basin?
Mittelhart is relative! So you are already moving almost at the upper edge of the range where the fish still feel comfortable, even with the neonsalmlers, even if they come from harder water here, their predispositions are genetically conditioned!
That’s only conditional, but they fit in this water at least!
Like I said, I pulled out the main plants on Friday because the fish caught up in it. Before I change something at the place where the occupancy zb is divided into two basins, I have to wait until my water tests have arrived. I no longer trust the current value. According to the jbl test, the ph is neutral and the water in the middle area. A real test kit comes at the earliest in 10 days, strip tests I can get the next days.
I wonder what I can do to keep the losses low. I can’t give the redheads to the state, and I’ve had the neons for two years and they’ve never done any trouble.
The PH value will probably be in a slightly alkaline value, about 7.4 because it is set by the water utility to avoid damage to the lines!
You can also get many water values on the homepage of your water provider! You can’t really trust the test strip as they are usually very inaccurate!
At the moment, you can’t do much, except for good water hygiene, possibly shorten the partial water exchange intervals to reduce the bacterial density!
This was not particularly good, of course, because plants have important tasks in an aquarium! Perhaps you would have done the liberation action with a scissors;-)
This can of course also go into the eye, because on the one hand one can hardly recognize the gender differences in young animals and on the other hand, even in the case of fish “forced vision” do not always go well! Therefore, it would actually be better to look for a new owner for the individual animal!
It is currently a young animal. The partner was unfortunately from the outset competitively weak to gehandicapt and has never shown appreciable, in the current situation I wait one because until I get a partner. I have a basin in which currently only shrimps are, anyway, some of the species should move if the scalar becomes too large, so the part would not be a big problem.
How to remove from one of your questions is the pool 120cm long and probably 40cm or 50cm high? At a height of 50cm, this would be just like at the border for scalar, as these can become about>20cm high! How many of you have?
If you manage to “create” 60-70 liters of water every 14 days, this would be an option, but you could also leave the redhead inside! At the PH value I wouldn’t “help” that’s something for professional, because there’s acid working and asking some knowledge about the chemistry of water!
Surely you could make an extra pelvis for the live-bearings, but with a GH value of 12° and a KH of 10° if they vote, you could also leave them in one pelvis, that would be a good compromise for all “participants”!
There was a thread owl in there, so that was actually inevitable. However, the plants on the sides are still intact, the basin is only now relatively open. Do you think it would be a long-term solution to leave scalar and neons in the basin and to provide softer water and neutral Ph, and to keep the Poecilidae in another basin?
Hello,
probably this is not the infectious abdominal water addiction, because it is rather rare in an aquarium.
Much more it will be a bacterial infection, which is responsible for the more or less failure of the organs, which ensure that the water that always flows into a fish (pressure equalization) is also excreted again. Then the water collects in the abdominal space, which becomes significantly thicker, the scales can stand out etc. pp.
Rotkopfsalmler come from waters with soft and correspondingly acidic water. The water then also has the result that there is only a very low germ and bacterial density, since the PH value is in the acidic range, at most in the neutral range. The immune system of the fish is correspondingly low. They are grown in antibiotic water. Then come to the dealer’s pools and to the local aquarium, then the problems are usually pre-programmed.
It is only possible to prevent this by either preparing the fish-friendly water (heating and expensive) by osmosis water or water from the whole desalinator, or by searching for such fish that correspond to their own water values.
Good success
Daniela
My water tests are unfortunately apparently misproduction. Always had hard water, and now I thought that maybe the source has changed, in any case my hard water fish are not quite so vulnerable. So I wanted to use some fish for medium hard water…but I don’t think anything is right with the waasertests
The phwert is neutral, the water hardness is usually hard, but according to my doubtful tests(more but the same packaging) which, however, have detected even hard water in December, for a few months medium hard
Not the despite, you have fish together in a pelvis that need quite constraint conditions (red head, scalar and unlike Molly and Guppy)
That’s correct. The neons come on hard water, skalar and redhead I got when I got to know the medium hard. Mollys and guppys are quite insensitive, so I didn’t want to give them away
Hello,
Neon is also not hard water fish. And from which breeding they originate, it is also absolutely irrelevant, because the genetic programming of a fish cannot be influenced by breeding them “other”.
Your PH value can never be neutral – I bet with you! Unless you would cut your water from a full desalinator or an osmosis plant and then introduce corresponding amounts of Co2. Otherwise, it is simply completely impossible to obtain a PH value of 7 (neutral) or an acidic PH value (below 7).
And how please do you think your water “changes”? Without “pantscherei” (see above), hard water always remains hard, because where should the hardness go? She doesn’t get in the air.
I don’t know how well it works, but you can try and find medicines against the diseases and maybe call a veterinarian
I called in a zootreatment, but the disease is probably as good as never healable
Without accurate diagnosis? See the answer from @dsupper, it can be that the optimization of living conditions leads to improvement!
I hope so. But as I said, I can’t catch the redheads. Where should I go? I don’t know if the todkrsnk are and I would unheardly pack a life-frozen and agile fish in a deadly uninvited quarantine pool.
Can you send a picture?
It’s in