Ärzte veraltetes Wissen?

Bodypositivity Aktivisten im Netz reden immer wieder darüber dass man bei Ärzten wenn die davon Sprechen dass das Übergewicht das man hat ungesund ist. Also langfristig zu gesundheitlichen Schäden führen kann und deshalb der Patient auf ein niedrigeres Gewicht reduzieren sollte um dem vorzubeugen – das doch „veraltetes Wissen sei“

Doch was meinem die mit „veraltetes Wissen“?

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jiojio
2 years ago

Hey, TJDettweiler,

of these statements, I honestly think relatively little. It is demonstrated by sufficient studies that overweight has a negative influence on the physical condition in the course of life. There are 10 diseases that can be caused by overweight.

Of course, every person may have his own opinion, but one should strongly differentiate between evidence-based facts and opinions.

VG

suprablitz
2 years ago

It is not outdated knowledge but “old” knowledge, since it is now evident for a long time that an increased weight and the associated stress are harmful to the body. This is about increased cholesterol levels in the blood to cardiovascular fluctuations, high blood pressure, increased risk for diabetes, etc.

With “old knowledge” they want to legitimize that they are overweight. Being overweight is nothing miserable, however, one should not take the issue with health on the easy shoulder, as it has already been proven very long that an excessive body fat content is unhealthy.

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago
Reply to  suprablitz

…, increased risk for diabetes

I bIn diabetics (DMT1) and diabetics like me do not meet this.
Therefore, it would be nice to name the type of diabetes (2), thank you. LG 🙋🏻

suprablitz
2 years ago
Reply to  PachamamaSquaw

Of course, type II but I didn’t mention all heart diseases and also not the stages of hypertension – for an overview enough…

suprablitz
2 years ago

But to the same extent, it is about heart diseases as predominant as about diabetes (this is an analogy)

I am totally unbiased about illnesses and the anamnese shows where the problems come from and I also ask for every patient’s pension if a patient has diabetes which type of problems can arise between the types (hyperosmolares dehydration syndrome type 2, ketoacidosis type 1…) but 90% is type 2…

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago

Oh, now you’re making fun of yourself and getting cynical.

and no 100 sinceife’s scientific paper made out

Och… 3 letters + 1 number would have been enough.

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago

Oh, man… went to heart diseases and isn’t it?

If you, or your illness, are constantly thrown into a pot with another disease – and that would permanently annoy you because you would have to fight against prejudices on the ongoing band – would you also take the subject personally… or not?

suprablitz
2 years ago

And there are 128 heart diseases (no idea but there are many) – and many of them do not pose a risk to obesity – so the predominant is sufficient!

I know there are 12 types of diabetes – but I didn’t know you were taking the thema so personally – mannomann… I am now officially apologising to everyone out there who suffers from a heart disease that is not linked to obesity, all diabetics, all normal weighty hypertonics, etc… Sry that I’ve been using superconcepts for simplicity and no 100 sinceife’s scientific paper made out

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago

You wrote that by increasing weight there was a risk for “diabetes”.

That’s right notbecause 12 completely

various diabetes diseases

there. And on 11 of these diseases

your statement is not true.

suprablitz
2 years ago

Analogously to your execution that I should have mentioned Type2 I only used the preamble as in heart diseases I didn’t call any more what heart diseases… So the predominant is enough – especially since the answers should remain understandable…

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago

I’m not talking about heart diseases all the time.

suprablitz
2 years ago

In the heart diseases there are also those which are not increased at risk in obesity – for an overview everything is sufficient… And if the case will notice that it is type II

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago

You wrote:

… that an increased weight and the associated stress are harmful to the body. This is about ……. increased risk for diabetes etc.

This is not correct, as among other things an increased weight also an increased risk for
Type 2 diabetes, but NOT for type 1 diabetes.
Under the Description “Diabetes” you throw these two different diseases into a pot.

SaniOnTheRoad
2 years ago

But what do you mean by “oldered knowledge”?

Knowledge that contradicts your own views. It therefore serves primarily to legitimize your own views.

The fact that ill overweight is a risk factor for numerous diseases is more than adequately proven.

Such a thing is a nice example of how actionism – which can be quite sensible in itself – twists facts and overshots into the absurd.

LG

JuniorBJ92
2 years ago

Activists are not interested in facts but only in what they want to enforce.

Fact is, ill overweight is unhealthy.

Zunami12345
2 years ago

No, this is not an obsolete knowledge but a fact

Rapunzel324
2 years ago

If you weigh two pounds too much, that’s not a sick obesity. Obesity is divided into several degrees. The worst stage is called obesity permagna. Disorderly obesity leads to metabolic disorders in very many people, e.g. diabetes melitus, type 2, diseases of the cardiovascular system, e.g. hypertension, coronary heart disease, etc. People with ill obesity have a high risk of disease.

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago
Reply to  TJDettweiler

… and has type 2 diabetes that has enormous influence on your eyes or vision.

Not diabetes in itself makes such diabetes fatalities, but long-lasting, too high blood sugar levels.

Therefore, each diabetic should ensure good blood sugar levels even with the right diet, normal weight and a lot of exercise.

Rapunzel324
2 years ago
Reply to  TJDettweiler

A doctor may always appeal to a patient on his weight, be it over or underweight, but it requires sensitivity. In obesity, approximately from degree 1, because there is already a risk of secondary diseases at this level.

PachamamaSquaw
2 years ago

No, I didn’t write that.

Long-lasting to high BZ values

do not lead to type 2 diabetes,

but to diabetes Damage.

DERstobbel
2 years ago

You/you even use the word “can.” So it means canning but doesn’t have to. What does not mean that it will be so with almost 100% security.

Nunuhueper
2 years ago

The survival of adipous cancer patients is somewhat longer than normal weight, it is also the only reason to apply a few more fat deposits.

jiojio
2 years ago
Reply to  Nunuhueper

Diabetes mellitus type 2, fat metabolism (e.g. hypertriglyzeridemia), fat liver and reflux disease (sodburns or the like), diseases of the gall bladder, arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure, sleep apnoe syndrome, gout and gallstones, joint diseases (e.g. coxarthrose), asthma, hormone disorders

A couple of counter-arguments for a couple of “Fettkissen” 🙂

Nunuhueper
2 years ago
Reply to  jiojio

Read my answer again so you understand what I mean.

What else is all about diseases….

atm77
2 years ago

This means that there are now more recent findings.

For example, the teachings of Sigmund Freud are now considered obsolete.

atm77
2 years ago
Reply to  TJDettweiler

How do I know?

That’s what you need to ask those questions that talk about it.

atm77
2 years ago

It’s about what the activists mean with “old knowledge”.

And that means that there are more recent findings.

How many more?

atm77
2 years ago

I asked the question you asked.

I couldn’t know that you wanted to ask something completely different.

atm77
2 years ago

Anyway, you know what she means.

atm77
2 years ago

Well, then your question (which you have never formulated so much – just not with reference to this activist) is answered and you are now a little smarter.

By the way: a very good idea to take the information from those who made this statement!

atm77
2 years ago

Not with certainty.

The lady seemed rather insecure at this point.

Unfortunately, the subject was not deepened, but strangled.

Thanks to the moderator, we will never find out what the lady could have got.

atm77
2 years ago

In the video there is exactly one scene where the doctor says that overweight is proven to be harmful.

This is what the woman says, that there are probably other findings.

And before the discussion can be deepened, the moderator strangles and it is a completely different subject.

The statement doctors you have claimed are not likely to raise any concerns about overweight in the video.

atm77
2 years ago

I don’t know now. The video is old. I do not notice any dialogue for several months.

atm77
2 years ago

Yeah.

They’re not allowed to talk.

The whole format is perfect for the ton. Not only on this subject.

atm77
2 years ago

I know the ZDF video.

This statement:

that the treated doctor must not tell his patient he treated according to the activists that his body weight is alarming or worrying.

It’s not being hit.

You interpret something in there.

(For the other video, it’s probably the same.)

Apart from that, there is nothing in your question!

atm77
2 years ago

So what?

Are they all saying that JEDES’s overweight in JEDER’s situation is totally bad?

Or do they say that a certain overweight can even be good in certain situations?

atm77
2 years ago

In answer to what question?

atm77
2 years ago

There are certainly some obesity doctors and any scientists who research the various aspects of overweight.

atm77
2 years ago

Treatment catalogs are never on the latest state of research.

Maybe nobody told you that.

And no: even general practitioners do not know each other well in all areas. That’s why there are experts.

atm77
2 years ago
  1. Not every scientist/medical is a specialist in this field.
  2. Even scientists and physicians do not know all the latest studies in all areas.
  3. Can scientists and medical professionals also have their own opinion and do not necessarily provide arguments to the opposite, even if they know them.
  4. If you think you know the answer, why do you ask that question? (And still wrong.)