Are vegans privileged?
Now let's be honest, if you're not exactly well off, veganism is very difficult, all the supplements, the right diet, paying attention to everything, you have to eat a lot more.
How is someone like me, who lives in a supported residential group, supposed to eat a healthy vegan diet?
Otherwise no one would be vegan there. There are two vegetarians (one also eats fish), but no vegans.
And they won't take any consideration of a vegan. So you have to eat whatever's available.
Or just starve. If I were to become vegan now, I would suffer from severe nutritional deficiencies because I would only be able to eat the side dishes.
Without supplements anyway. Are vegans aware that not everyone can become vegan due to poverty, living conditions, allergies, etc.?
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Again, it's possible, and no, a vegan diet isn't expensive—at least not if you ignore all the substitutes. They're the only ones that make the diet so expensive, but they're not healthy. Even freshly cooked food at home doesn't cost nearly as much as ready-made stuff, and it's healthier, too. The same applies to an omnivorous diet, by the way.
And I've already told you that I can feed myself with very little money, and it's no problem. And you still only need to supplement with B12 and all that other stuff. At least if you don't already have an undetected deficiency, which you should, of course, get checked out first.
By the way, all your questions on this topic just show that you're looking for excuses as to why it doesn't work for you. Instead of saying you don't want to go vegan and simply letting the issue rest, you're trying to stir up trouble against vegans simply because you don't want to accept that it's possible to eat vegan on a modest budget and even build muscle.
es gibt auf der Welt auch sehr viele arme Menschen… die ernähren sich oft zwangsläufig vegan.
Liebe Grüße.
And are they healthy? No, usually extremely malnourished. If they have no access to animal products and can only eat grain products, etc.
Why would anyone want to live like that, voluntarily?
No, they're definitely not healthy. But they're NOT privileged…
Ja, aber glaub mir, ohne tierprodukte wirst du gewisse dingen nicht kriegen, da müsstest du supplementieren.
kann man so pauschal nicht sagen, aber wenn du mit Beilagen Kartoffeln, Nuddeln und Reis meinst, nicht das Gemüse, Kräuter und sonstiges, dann ist das UNGESUND.
Ich esse auch alles (nur zur Info).
Glaubst du ich wäre gesund wenn ich nur beilagen essen würde?
meistens eine Frage der Gesundheit (Allergien, Krankheiten) oder der “Moral”.
Ja, aber warum sollte ich wählerisch über meine Nahrung sein? Die essen auch fleisch wenn sie zugang haben.
Ich meinte das Wählerische ist privilegiert.
Veganism is no longer as expensive as it was 5 years ago or so!
This is a common misconception that is no longer true. Many food companies, such as Lild, are now shifting spending on vegan products toward non-vegan products, making a vegan lifestyle possible for everyone!
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Depending on your circumstances, it's actually not that easy to follow a vegan diet. Especially if you're dependent on others for your food or have to be considerate of others. And if you have mental health issues, for example, you might not have the energy to read up on the topic. Following a vegan diet is quite a change. We humans are creatures of habit, and change is difficult for us. That's just the way it is.
The good news is: No one is forcing you to go vegan right away. If you have the desire but can't manage it right now, just do what's possible for you. Maybe start by eating less meat and using oat milk (or soy, or whatever you like) instead of cow's milk. Try a vegan alternative every now and then (vegetables on bread instead of sausage and cheese) or a substitute product. Over time, you'll become familiar with many alternatives and won't necessarily "need" animal products anymore. You'll get used to buying and eating other products.
If you only knew…
My mother (over 60) has been vegan for over 10 years. We were never well-off. Most of the time, in fact, the complete opposite. For the last five years, we even had to go to the food bank regularly. (Thankfully, not anymore, and we hope it stays that way.) For several years, we had extremely little money for food and in general—so little, many people here would swallow.
Nevertheless, she managed to eat a vegan diet and still manages to do so now.
This has little to do with privilege. Unless you consider it a privilege to receive a disability pension that's not enough to cover your expenses.
This good woman is anything but thin. The other way around makes sense. Anyone who thinks vegans can only be starving skeletons is seriously mistaken. Most sweets can also be baked in vegan form.
You don't need to take a ton of supplements for a vegan diet. Even omnivores often have to. How many omnivores have deficiencies? She takes her B12 tablets regularly, and that's it. There's not a lot of pill-taking involved.
There are various sources where you can get your nutrients and vitamins that are vegan and (relatively) inexpensive. The vegans here can list them for you. Besides, you don't necessarily have to buy vegan convenience foods.
By the way, I'm writing this as an omnivore who has no plans to become vegetarian, let alone vegan, in the near or distant future.
What does "should" mean? Are you supposed to do it? Who's forcing you to do it? If you don't want to, or you truly think you can't—for whatever reason—then don't. Maybe you'll try again sometime. But you shouldn't force yourself to eat a vegan diet even if you don't enjoy it. That would be pointless.
Veganism doesn't mean restricting yourself. Despite what some people think. I think it's because many of these people think vegans don't do it of their own free will. Of course, it's a restriction if I'm not fully committed to it. If you're committed to it, then it's not. I have to seriously ask myself when the last time my mother had to restrict herself was. She has enough food to choose from. It's all a matter of attitude. And of course, you also have to acquire knowledge and broaden your horizons.
My mother would simply prepare her own meals. Or change living groups. But I understand that the latter would be difficult/impossible. On the other hand, why shouldn't they take that into account? They already have to take food allergies/intolerances into account, so why not your vegan diet as well?
I've already given my two cents on the topic of poverty and living conditions. Allergies? There might actually be something to that. I don't have any food allergies myself, and neither does my mother. On the other hand, you'd have to be allergic to a lot of things… Oh well, there's everything. I'm out of that.
die meisten veganer sind enwteder dünn oder dick,
Who cares!?