ByAseiir0n
Is it justified for the cyclist to have to stay outside? After all, he's the only one who paid for the space.
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We do not need to argue about the human aspect. But is it justified for the passenger by bicycle to take off money for the ride? If the passenger does not have space for the bike by bicycle. This is the fraud on the matter. In addition, it does not necessarily mean driving a bike to be top fit. A bicycle is, for example, a carrying aid for shopping as with me with back problems. In addition, a bicycle can also be necessary for a worker to get from the bus or train to/from the workstation, this should drive by bus for example 40km and then 5km by bike. Would it be a nasty of someone who has just worked 10h to drive 5km bike and to demand his connection home to the last train in the next city to reach legal witness. Most of the time, there would be a solution like a bike. But that’s not wanted. It just comes to the individual case.. As mentioned above, getting out is annoying but sometimes necessary. But letting someone pay for a low performance, which if it’s stupid, only gets half the power for it and that’s not just for the fare for the bike, but the passenger usually gets off with his bike. And doesn’t say the bike can get off on its own. None of you would like to take something to pay, with additional fees and in case of doubt only half the performance. And pay the risk each time. If I do not meet someone, please let me report to myself and I would like to support him in all possible areas of life to bring his preference to peace.
With our ÖPNV, it would be that the cyclist should only be allowed if there is room.
But that also means if he’s already on the bus and a wheelchair driver or mother comes with a stroller, he has to get out. By the way, we also have to get out of the bike when only passengers with no additional equipment are travelling, but enough… often in professional traffic!
In the end, a “involuntary” cyclist decides the driver… who has home right and can kick everyone out!
But this is little customer-friendly (at times the cyclist is also a customer)!
If I have released an additional ticket for the wheel and then I’m “worn” I’d make Rabbatz, so I’d reclaim the money.
If the ÖPNV is so inadequately equipped that this state is constantly threatening, I would not even use it and co-finance it with a monthly card.
I think it’s okay… first you accept the terms and conditions with your purchase and know this regulation. In addition, a cyclist can use his wheel and does not have to block the track. Especially since we do not have any wheel, stroller or wheelchair extra costs – it means the same amount of adults.
Anyone who pays is irrelevant for the first time, because then all toddlers would have to leave the car in a crowded bus. Whoever goes along is usually determined by the need. It's the least on the bike.
Why? Did the taxi driver and the mother with a stroller not have a ticket?
In doubt, the bus driver decides who is allowed and who remains outside. The cyclist is also the only one of the 3 participants who could easily return further routes even without a bus.
they don’t have to solve a card.
If you pay directly and cash to the driver, this is only relevant here. And you don’t think disabled people have to pay?
Well missed.
If you have a disability level of at least 50 GdB , you can choose whether to use KFZ tax reduction or “free” ÖVP. However, depending on the municipality or town, the disabled must pay around 80€ per year.
From ag 100 GdB you are in fact free of charge.
So now comes the moral aspect. Who should be promoted?
The pottery with his driveway?
The mother with strollers and shopping?
Or the disabled person who is dependent on the wheelchair?
In this case it is subject to the need for transport.
And this is the least for the cyclist.
Sorry, that’s not true. On the one hand, the free movement does not necessarily exist from GdB 50, but only if there are also signs that justify it. (The ID is in this case green-orange…for the first time it would be green)
In case of badge G or Gl, you can choose between a 50% tax reduction or the freeze for 80 euros a year.
In case of badges aG is a complete KFZ tax exemption AND the freeway inside…but also here 80 euros have to be paid…also at a GdB of 100.
Only those who have the symbol H or Bl will be completely freed of the KFZ tax and will get a really free ride.
(Also also people with the above-mentioned badge that receive certain social benefits)
Whether you have to pay or not, however, is never dependent on the GdB.
Thanks for clarifying a person with GdB of 70 and aG.
And you didn’t seem to have read my post. Don’t do anything.
I knew that. But explain that to someone who doesn’t know in 5 sentences.
Bike in the bus only goes with enough space and is not given, then it is not possible. Certainly also in the transport conditions of the transport company
I also think that this is almost everywhere in Germany that cyclists have to get out on full buses/trains.
In Hamburg and Munich there is even a “Sperrzeit” for cyclists
In fact, in the case after the conditions of transport the cyclists must get out.
I honestly also find this an unding, just like these tens of different client favors at all.
If the cyclist has additionally released an extra bike map next to the ticket, he is entitled to carry his bike. If there is no other regulation, he must take advantage of the place if he has not been occupied by the stroller and wheelchair beforehand.
All three shall have the right to be promoted under the transport rules of the transport company.
And now, please consider who should wait for the next bus at the moment or continue a piece with the bike 🙂
That’s what you mean, the reality looks different, and if you’re still politely asking if you get the fare back proportionally. If you refer to the conditions of transport, either under the bus’s domestic law, or you should contact the central office.
It’s a society of patient fraud. No matter what the motto is, it doesn’t affect me.
Morally speaking, the cyclist should give the space for wheelchair users and mother with strollers.
Sure but also get back the difference amount for not received but paid performance 😉
Everyone has a valid ticket. So let the one who can wait the worst. Mother with child or Rolli.
Mother does not release a car for the children’s car. as well as at the rolli.
Do you need a ticket to be released for a stroller?
Of course, the Muddi has a valid ticket for itself and the child. So what?
where can they wait the worst because they have to wait for the next? who comes first ground first.
“Where can they wait the worst because they have to wait for the next? who comes first ground first.”
So insensitive can only be a war dust; to all others, what belongs to themselves, which is good and reasonable.
Yeah, that’s justified.
I think your question is pointless, because it is clear and transparent…
If the imaginary cyclist already makes room for the Rolli and the mommy with strollers, he should, fairly, at least keep his money back if he already has to stumble…
What is this about?
You seem to forget that most cyclists don’t pay for their bike. These usually have a monthly card in which the bicycles are included.
It is also stated in the terms of transport. the bicycles can only be taken if the passenger is allowed.
That would be new to me that bicycles are transported “free of charge”.
A monthly ticket also costs significantly more when the wheel driver is included (in VRR, for example “Ticket 2000” instead of “Ticket 1000”).
Otherwise, even an additional ticket for the wheel has to be released, which one does not receive just.
If bicycles are not allowed to be taken on the basis of the traffic volume, this is normally suggested “bicycle take-off from – to the clock”.
I do not forget that here fake questions are posted for the purpose of the Bashing – against whomever!
Mother with stroller plus taxi driver – are already three places per se! So what?
As well as everywhere, bicycles have to leave a means of transport… whether train or bus… if the place is not sufficient. Rolli and stroller, or even a roll-up truck, are usually the same as I’ve heard from cities where a roll-up is supposed to be moved forward to the stroller, if that’s true, but I don’t know. (Well, I don’t know… and yes, I’m even a taxi driver)
And who says Rollifahrer and mother didn’t pay with strollers?
There is normally no freeway for mothers with children’s weighing, only for the child in the stroller. And also a taxi driver must pay. If he has no value mark (for which one sometimes also pays one, even a small amount, and for which compensation charges are paid to the transport companies), then he must release a ticket just like any other.
Because of me, unfortunately, 2 cyclists had to leave the bus…doof, because the bus was only hourly for and there was an overland bus…but are the rules.
(A reason why I’ve never taken a bike into the bus before… the risk of standing somewhere in the Pampa was too big for me)
The mother will certainly not pay an extra price for the stroller or wheelchair driver for his wheelchair, as I understand it is about which one has to pay extra is who has to get out. and not to get out the wheelchair or stroller..
First comes the wheelchair driver, then the mother with stroller, then the cyclist. So he stays out here.
However, numbers must have all, or a corresponding discount/release certificate in public buses.
the child car/roll chair does not have to be paid. the fahhrad already.
And they don’t have to pay. Right?
it does not want a “travel cyclist” in the bus, because it is not allowed to use a bicycle in the bus. He’s just a cyclist as long as he’s cycling. as soon as he gets off, he’s a goose with a baggage.
in the bus want 2 people with a necessary transport aid and one with a bulky luggage.
in case of doubt, he must stay out with the bulky baggage.
Not as long as he has paid for his “closed baggage” properly – according to the motto:
“Money governs the world”…;)
Every normal person would leave the mother with a stroller and a person with a wheelchair from the entrance. It is logical that a cyclist can move the distance himself rather than the other two.
With a little consideration, you get something like that on your own.
I think that every “normal man” can get his place in any normal bus – fake question ?
Not if it’s quite full and depending on the time, it can be the case.
for free he doesn’t take the bus if he could drive himself. should the cyclist who might have an appointment on work have the people done? can only repeat me – who comes first ground first.
I understood the situation so that all three are at the bus stop.
The cyclist was most likely to escape. You can have an appointment. There’s a magic word that calls itself decency.
…and does not have any(r) 😉
Why didn’t the others pay? I don’t think so?
Mother and child have priority
had before a time ne entertainment – cyclist with bicycle on the bus, next stop ne Mutti with stroller – only one is possible, the cyclist must get out.
in your case Mutti with stroller and Rolli may be with.
If it is not otherwise regulated in the terms of transport, it does not have to get out, it was there first.
Actually, this question is not worth an answer at all.
Nevertheless, I can’t blame myself for telling you that you either have no idea or are a huge egoist.
I’d be interested in how you would react if you were the person concerned.
Don’t think you’re too young. It can also happen to you that you’ve been in a wheelchair tomorrow.
In most buses, bicycles are not allowed in! 🤔
I know that differently!
That’s what’s happening to me.
Depends on the area. Bicycles can be taken in the VRR, VRS and many other transport networks. I doubt whether “most buses” are allowed to take bicycles.
Bikers can get out
pourquoi?
I understand that the mother has priority with the child, but why the wheelchair driver against over the cyclist? Both cannot leave long distances compared to a bus.
If you don’t understand, put yourself in a wheelchair and try out who comes from A to B more easily.
Do you think something the wheelchair driver chose his own illness?
Just be glad you can still walk on both legs. This is even better than sitting in a wheelchair.
If you believe that a bicycle has priority, then all that you think should make room and walk.
Such questions and answers do not only make me angry, they also appeal to me.
There are cyclists and not performance sportsmen. It could be a petty and old lady with a rusty bike. It won’t make the 15km.
There is no difference between the wheelchair driver and the old lady only 4km
Sit in a wheelchair and drive 10-15 kilometers and then on a bike and drive 10-15 kilometers. I could imagine that you will notice a clear difference.
Mother and cyclist are allowed in. The wheelchair and the stroller can be attached to the bus at the back.
Little joker!
Great. I’m not small. Not mentally or physically
I think I can count who was there first. If he comes with a wheelchair last he has bad luck, the same applies to the cyclist.
You can squeeze a wheel into the corner or take it up somehow. That’s less for children’s cars and rs.
What does a cyclist have to look for in a bus?
but they are allowed in the evening with from 19.00
“but they are allowed in the evening with from 19.00”
Depending on where, for example from 9 a.m., Saturdays, Sundays and holidays, bicycles can be taken by bus all day.
drove 10H over the mountain. after home would take 5-7 std again (at the other side of the mountain). therefore I take the train/bus for back.
Train is another!