Why are tertiary alcohols so difficult to oxidize further (e.g., citrate)? Couldn't the line to form COO- be simply rearranged if COO- is present?

if COO- is spun off?

So, as I understand it, when a secondary alcohol is oxidized, two hydrogen atoms split off, forming a double bond between carbon and oxygen. Like in 2-propanol.

Why doesn't this work with citrate?

There is no further H atom on the C atom where the OH is attached, but you still have COO-

If I split off the COO-, then I can simply get a double bond to the C if the H-atom at the C is also split off like the COO-

In my book it says:

"Tertiary alcohols cannot simply be further oxidized because there is no free hydrogen atom left to be removed during oxidation."

So what? Why can't you remove the COO- like the H?

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ADFischer
1 year ago

There are reactions in which CO2 is split off and the OH group is oxidized to the keto group. But for this, of course, a C-C bond must always be cleaved, otherwise five-binding carbon is obtained.

ADFischer
1 year ago
Reply to  Siggimundd

This is a special case because relatively stable carbon dioxide is formed in the reaction. In the case of tertiary alcohols, one usually means such as tert-butanol. Three alkyl groups or other hydrocarbon chains depend on the tertiary carbon atom. It cannot be “separated” by oxidation without letting the whole residue of the molecule also react to carbon dioxide and water.

PWolff
1 year ago

If you remove the COO^- you remove one of the carbon atoms that make up the tertiary alcohol.

Go, of course, but come out to the same thing as if you first make a secondary alcohol from the tertiary alcohol.

PWolff
1 year ago
Reply to  Siggimundd

Whether you split off the carboxylic acid group or one of the other radicals plays no (essential) role for this.

What I forget: hydrogen atoms are very small, at such a point another molecule/atom/ion can attack comparatively easily.

Assembled “residues” are quite bulky, another molecule/atom/ion only comes to the “surface” of the “residue”, but only very, very difficult at the rest past the place where the rest is bound to the main chain.